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miragefla
16 Oct 2015, 04:27 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 03:58 AMThe_rEd_bEar
960hp and 300 armour doesn't warrant a single call in restriction, unless it gets over 1,000 health like the other heavy tanks.


So it can only take one less ATG shot. If it has 50 range, good firepower and better mobility?

It's not meant to be an IS-2 or Tiger clone, but just because it isn't does not mean the restrictions shouldn't apply. Do we want the heavy tank call-in meta to return?
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Nabarxos
16 Oct 2015, 04:39 AM
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i believe the pershing will be a comet clone limited to one.

the only thing that will be OP about this new commander will be rangers
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Nabarxos
16 Oct 2015, 04:43 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 04:27 AMmiragefla


So it can only take one less ATG shot. If it has 50 range, good firepower and better mobility?

It's not meant to be an IS-2 or Tiger clone, but just because it isn't does not mean the restrictions shouldn't apply. Do we want the heavy tank call-in meta to return?


when did the Heavy callin meta die??

just because people cant bring another IS-2/Tiger into battle doesnt mean the heavy callin meta has died

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Napalm
16 Oct 2015, 05:02 AM
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The heavy call in meta never died. It remains in larger game modes.

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Lümmel
16 Oct 2015, 05:24 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 03:17 AMWhySooSerious
Whats going to happen: 1) Relic wants to milk the fanboys
2) They release commanders OP as hell for a whole month
3) 1 month because they don't want to start losing the playerbase
4) They balance it after a month of receiving fanboy money.


This is exactly what happens every single time new commanders are released.
Money has to be made somehow, right?
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The Big Red 1
16 Oct 2015, 05:36 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 05:24 AMLümmel


This is exactly what happens every single time new commanders are released.
Money has to be made somehow, right?

lol just hope they keep the tank durable cuz USF already have enough cardboard ronson cookers that cant withstand the wide array of godlike AT that the axis have
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Robbie_Rotten
16 Oct 2015, 05:37 AM
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You guys took the bait hook line and sinker... Of course with a title like that...

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LuGer33
16 Oct 2015, 05:51 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 05:36 AMThe Big Red 1

lol just hope they keep the tank durable cuz USF already have enough cardboard ronson cookers that cant withstand the wide array of godlike AT that the axis have

Expect to run into the Pak-43 when using this commander, especially the first few days. Pershing will be pretty much paper to that thing. This doctrine leaves USF with woeful indirect fire (only the nerfed Pak Howitzer), so the only option for killing that thing will be solid infantry micro with Rifles, Rangers, and an abundance of smoke.
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JohnnyB
16 Oct 2015, 06:12 AM
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One cannot talk about performance in advance without thinking at the real thing and comparing it to its german counterparts. But since this is a historicaly INaccurate game, we cannot make any speculation.
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hallolinski
16 Oct 2015, 07:41 AM
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thick front armor
slow
long reload
powerful main gun
less AI than panther

EDIT: wait a minute... on the website it states: "This unit is effective against all targets." now i am confused, it will be powerful against AI as well???? o_O
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The Big Red 1
16 Oct 2015, 07:43 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 07:41 AMhallolinski
thick front armor
slow
long reload
powerful main gun
less AI than panther

if it can take more hits than a sherman and packs enough punch to take on tigers and panthers thats good enough for me
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Iron Emperor
16 Oct 2015, 07:48 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 03:17 AMWhySooSerious
Whats going to happen: 1) Relic wants to milk the fanboys
2) They release commanders OP as hell for a whole month
3) 1 month because they don't want to start losing the playerbase
4) They balance it after a month of receiving fanboy money.


If it's crap or not buy buy
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wandererraven
16 Oct 2015, 07:53 AM
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COH mod Tool have only M3 90 mm Data
Dmg 160
pen 220/240/260 (better than M36 )
Reload 6.1 sec
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Butcher
16 Oct 2015, 07:55 AM
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High chance it´s just a copy pasted Tiger/IS-2 clone with minor differences. Probably gains 50 range at vet2. :snfCHVGame:
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Ful4n0
16 Oct 2015, 08:56 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 03:24 AMAchtAchter
It should be like the comet/panther imo. A clunky slow ass tank just doesn't fit the USF faction.

Additionally it needs to be limited to one and vehicle crews need to be disabled for the Pershing so you can't bypass the limit.


if it should be like a comet/panther, why it should be limited to one??? just asking.
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An already muni starved faction (OKW) is now more muni starved and still can't build caches.

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hallolinski
16 Oct 2015, 09:24 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 08:56 AMFul4n0


if it should be like a comet/panther, why it should be limited to one??? just asking.


no it should not be like comet/panther, it should be different. as discussed earlier, main objective is being a damage sponge and a combined arms unit. Coment tank isn't a combined arms unit at all and panther also not that much.

pershing tank alone should not be very useful, but combined with a faster tank for flanking and guarded by some inf --> powerful!

it should be a mix between firefly and churchill.

slow
thick armor
powerful gun
no AI

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Australian Magic
16 Oct 2015, 10:02 AM
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Pershing is not true heavy tank, therefore it should be treated like something between medium and heavy.


HP: 800 (1040 with vet 2).
Armor: 300-340.
Slower than Tiger.
Should be better than Panther for AI, but worse than Tiger.
Turret rotation should be very good, way faste than Tiger's.
Medicore penetration, like 180/200/220.
40 range, 50 with vet 2.

But that's just my opinion.
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F1sh
16 Oct 2015, 10:49 AM
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It should be the Tiger and IS-2 combined, with the Jadgtiger's damage. American technology was far ahead of the rest of the world, so the Pershing should reflect that.
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Burts
16 Oct 2015, 11:20 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2015, 07:55 AMButcher
High chance it´s just a copy pasted Tiger/IS-2 clone with minor differences. Probably gains 50 range at vet2. :snfCHVGame:



I'm going to tell you that it's not . It has 50 range stock.


It has 800 HP, not 1040 like tiger/IS-2.


The pershing will be a slower comet with the same armor, but more penetration and pucnh againts inf.
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16 Oct 2015, 11:37 AM
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