Partisan SMGs

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 09:39 AMNickbn

This. Seconded.

Take into account that before, when only a handful of people used partisans, no axis player ever felt the need of looking behind their front line apart from the occasional paratrooper landing. But now finally the partisans pack a little more punch the "OP-OP calling" starts, and the worst thing is, a very predictable one at that. So lets take this 'new' situation axis players will find themselves in into consideration.

The "lazy" (before replying watch those quotation marks there) axis never had to deal with troops operating behind the line, having to get real close before doing some damage, otherwise quite unuseful troops before. Even in my earliest (and I have played tons of matches using partisans) use of these guys I had to ubermicro them and not use them as a combat unit to make them work. Back then they could not capture points at all, were (and still are) very fragile. Even a grenadier looking angry at them made them start dropping models. It was very hard to make them useful, only having some limited use in very specific situation only encounterable in 3v3 4v4's. Every partisan fielded behind enemy lines was a missing soviet squad on the frontline.

Their armor still sucks. they die like flies and most people tend to use them incorrectly and inefficiently. They finally do some damage, people use them properly and all axis camp starts barking and throwing in all the numbers to back up their case. While in all honesty, you should look behind the hurts of our collective butts and see that maybe these guys were very underpowered before.

Taking this into consideration I do not mind a small but noticeable nerf in their damage output. for their smg's.

And it's been less than 24 hours. I mean. Really people? Seriously?

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 07:27 AMmiragefla

I know, we'd never thought for once in the entire history of CoH where partisans would actually get a thread on balance because of how they used to be mediocre then garbage for a long while.

But with the recent changes, the partisan DPS seems pretty ridiculous for what you get and when you can get them. It may be my overreaction, but their shock value is insane. If I'm looking at the stats right in the editor, they dish out 21 DPS up to 10m before drastically dropping like most SMGs.

Yes, they form the backbone of that particular doctrine, but a 1CP unit that dishes out more DPS than shocks that spawns from structures for around 210mp and has camo? Did someone paradrop the old UKF commandos onto the Eastern Front and made them dress up as partisans or something?

Unless they become very costly to the point where they become one-trick ponies which is never good for any unit, I think the DPS levels should at least be lowered to 13 minimum or so which is similar to the Guard PPSH given the cost of the unit.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 14:30 PM_GarbageMan_

They are OP because they actually have a purpose and you can't find their VERY obvious flaws? Midgame they are garbage. They are only good when you pop them out as a surprise attack. Once they retreat, and have to start going from the front, it's just a manpower waste. I believe it's something like 35 manpower just to reinforce them, which they die very easily, and not counting the manpower to call in. All while you can get a conscript squad for 20 more manpower that have more utility. All I see now is them actually having a chance as a viable commander. If you are a good axis player, you will make them pay for their commander choice. Put mines in front of doors, boom, no more issue. Or build obers,minefields in back, or mg in back, doing so cripples their only use as the commander. PPSH's were trash before, again at least they can do something now. doubling the dmg isn't that big of a deal when it was nothing before.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 14:45 PMBlalord

Merge them with cons = profit

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 14:30 PM_GarbageMan_

They are OP because they actually have a purpose and you can't find their VERY obvious flaws? Midgame they are garbage. They are only good when you pop them out as a surprise attack. Once they retreat, and have to start going from the front, it's just a manpower waste. I believe it's something like 35 manpower just to reinforce them, which they die very easily, and not counting the manpower to call in. All while you can get a conscript squad for 20 more manpower that have more utility. All I see now is them actually having a chance as a viable commander. If you are a good axis player, you will make them pay for their commander choice. Put mines in front of doors, boom, no more issue. Or build obers,minefields in back, or mg in back, doing so cripples their only use as the commander. PPSH's were trash before, again at least they can do something now. doubling the dmg isn't that big of a deal when it was nothing before.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 16:36 PMZyllen

It takes a special kind of stupid not to realise that popping a very inexpensive squad with 2 times more dps then falls next to okw.ost units is a massive balance issue. slash their dps in half and they still would be very dangerous.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 17:02 PMaaa

this co0mmander has no late game and nothing except partisans. Still only guard motor

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 17:06 PM_GarbageMan_

Well it takes a special kind of stupid to realize that straight DMG from guns is not everything. Falls are stronger and can faust and throw charges as well. It's like a partisan and tank hunter built into one.

Partisans are like paper, but actually have a decent gun now. Before they were like RET's

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 17:13 PMZyllen

Stop digging a bigger hole for yourself mate. DPS means everything and frailty means nothing if you spawn them in the rear of your opponents line

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 18:47 PM_GarbageMan_

Hey mate, well let's see what happens when you take your 1 jackson and pop it out and flank behind 1 tiger and still see if dmg means everything????

Realistically though, there are numerous counters to stopping them behind the lines.

1.) Mines in front of doors
2.) Minefields on back Points
4.) Get a Flame Half track to cover your backfield.
5.) Get obers, they will win if you don't let them close

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 20:47 PMZyllen

I am fucking speechless at this stupidity. its a 1 CP unit. you dont have any counters you listed. ffs stop posting.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 20:54 PM_GarbageMan_

So you're saying you're losing the ENTIRE game during the 1CP phase? If that's the case you blow. Build a MG and cover your guys. So the 2 CP shocktroops are unstoppable as well because they come out so early? 2cp is not much more, and I rather have shocks. ALSO germans get a 0 CP assault grenadier, as well as a mine counter quite quickly.. Partisans commander does not scale well to late game...which you can do ALL of the counters I mentioned after mid game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 21:07 PMSturmTigerJay

Every minute makes the diference,positioning of your units makes the diference.
getting a granadier mg or a HMG42 getting killed and stolen, and getting pressured on the cut off, after a couple of minutes a t70 appers, followed by t76. GG
I'm am not saying is impossible to comeback, but playing from the bottom at the start of the game is very hard.

Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2015, 09:39 AMNickbn

This. Seconded.

Take into account that before, when only a handful of people used partisans, no axis player ever felt the need of looking behind their front line apart from the occasional paratrooper landing. But now finally the partisans pack a little more punch the "OP-OP calling" starts, and the worst thing is, a very predictable one at that. So lets take this 'new' situation axis players will find themselves in into consideration.

The "lazy" (before replying watch those quotation marks there) axis never had to deal with troops operating behind the line, having to get real close before doing some damage, otherwise quite unuseful troops before. Even in my earliest (and I have played tons of matches using partisans) use of these guys I had to ubermicro them and not use them as a combat unit to make them work. Back then they could not capture points at all, were (and still are) very fragile. Even a grenadier looking angry at them made them start dropping models. It was very hard to make them useful, only having some limited use in very specific situation only encounterable in 3v3 4v4's. Every partisan fielded behind enemy lines was a missing soviet squad on the frontline.

Their armor still sucks. they die like flies and most people tend to use them incorrectly and inefficiently. They finally do some damage, people use them properly and all axis camp starts barking and throwing in all the numbers to back up their case. While in all honesty, you should look behind the hurts of our collective butts and see that maybe these guys were very underpowered before.

Taking this into consideration I do not mind a small but noticeable nerf in their damage output. for their smg's.

And it's been less than 24 hours. I mean. Really people? Seriously?