Panzer 4 needs a rework
14 Sep 2015, 18:12 PM
#1
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As the title suggests, current Panzer 4 for both Pr0stheer and OKW is in a bad spot. It shreds infantry a little bit too good and struggles against med to heavy targets. What I offer is, reduce its AoE and its damage a bit against infantry, keep its damage against vehicles as the same and increase its penetration. It barely penetrates Cromwells+Shermans. It actually seems like low-velocity 75mm Sherman AP has exact the same penetration as a high velocity KwK40-L48 German cannon. Also, the Command Panzer 4 is fine and it needs a little bit more love against infantry.
Whatever
14 Sep 2015, 18:16 PM
#2
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It's fine as it is.
14 Sep 2015, 18:17 PM
#3
Posts: 186
Whatever
14 Sep 2015, 18:18 PM
#4
Posts: 49
Troll?
14 Sep 2015, 18:21 PM
#5
Posts: 186
Troll?
What is troll about suggesting a 75mm high velocity cannon to have a better pen. than a 75mm low velocity cannon?
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14 Sep 2015, 18:25 PM
#6
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P4 is fine, it doesn't really have a place against brits from my experience but it's in a great spot vs USF and Soviets. Command P4 is over-performing if anything
14 Sep 2015, 19:38 PM
#7
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P4 is fine, it doesn't really have a place against brits from my experience but it's in a great spot vs USF and Soviets. Command P4 is over-performing if anything
I find the P4 works well vs the medium Brit tanks like the Cromwell and Centaur. It can even get in the face of a firefly and kill it given the right situation. The only time the P4 struggles vs Brits is when they bring out the heavier hammer or anvil tanks at which point it can't reliably penetrate the stronger armor of those vehicles from the front.
14 Sep 2015, 19:47 PM
#8
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What's wrong with the M4 having the same pen. It's only 10 fuel less and has 20 less armor and needs to switch rounds to be effective. It needed the increased pen so it could actually participate in armor vs armor battles instead of running away at the first sight of a P4. P4 is still the better tank.
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14 Sep 2015, 19:56 PM
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It's fine as it is. If you want more AT power you go for the StuG, a dedicated (and fantastic) AT platform. If you want more AI you go for the Ostwind. If you want pretty good at both you go for the P4.
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14 Sep 2015, 20:01 PM
#10
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As the title suggests, current Panzer 4 for both Pr0stheer and OKW is in a bad spot. It shreds infantry a little bit too good and struggles against med to heavy targets. What I offer is, reduce its AoE and its damage a bit against infantry, keep its damage against vehicles as the same and increase its penetration. It barely penetrates Cromwells+Shermans. It actually seems like low-velocity 75mm Sherman AP has exact the same penetration as a high velocity KwK40-L48 German cannon. Also, the Command Panzer 4 is fine and it needs a little bit more love against infantry.
Imo stats ok, except mp/fuel cost . Currently not worth buying.
15 Sep 2015, 02:24 AM
#11
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P4 just lost it's main advantage over the Sherman, now it's only really superior to the T-34/76, and that isn't worth bragging about 
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With the delay in tech to the USF we are increasing the power of some of their vehicles.
- Penetration increased from 80/100/120 to 100/120/140
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15 Sep 2015, 03:06 AM
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Guys don't forget Easy Eight is gonna get buffed, so P4 is a bit helpless against meds-heavys except t34's, StuGs get job done better (nerfed too tought 
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15 Sep 2015, 03:11 AM
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15 Sep 2015, 03:21 AM
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If we assume the M4 is using M72 AP rounds and the German tank is using HEAT rounds then the Sherman would have better penetration at 100m by about 30mm.
If however the German tank is using the common PzGr 39 it would have better penetration by about 10mm or roughly 8%.
And no it definitely is not using APCR shells - They don't explode and would do very minor damage compared tro the other two mentioned.
If however the German tank is using the common PzGr 39 it would have better penetration by about 10mm or roughly 8%.
And no it definitely is not using APCR shells - They don't explode and would do very minor damage compared tro the other two mentioned.
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15 Sep 2015, 03:38 AM
#15
Posts: 1026
I'd be fine with buffing pen by 10/10/10 in exchange for slightly reducing infantry killing effectiveness. Like I don't think it's necessary but I wouldn't complain either.
15 Sep 2015, 08:04 AM
#16
Posts: 1930
P4 just lost it's main advantage over the Sherman, now it's only really superior to the T-34/76, and that isn't worth bragging about
you will be surprised at how often people forget to switch round. It's basically giving the pziv a free shot if the sherman get caught with HE.
Switching round type also take a bit longer than simply reloading, so that's another minus.
15 Sep 2015, 08:06 AM
#17
Posts: 476
Dude its absolutely fine. Its the most expensive medium tank, so it can be the best vs armor. Sherman is already much better against infantry and can crush much better unlike panzer iv.
15 Sep 2015, 09:01 AM
#18
Posts: 482
Seriously? Now Pz4 loses to T3485,E8and M4C,even performing in the line with the common sherman or Cromwell.But it cost 125 fuel,T3485 cost 130fuel,sherman and cromwell cost 110fuel,then you still wanna nerf it. Stop raging pls. Pz 4 is fine as it is .
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15 Sep 2015, 09:03 AM
#19
Posts: 186
Seriously? Now Pz4 loses to T3485,E8and M4C,even performing in the line with the common sherman or Cromwell.But it cost 125 fuel,T3485 cost 130fuel,sherman and cromwell cost 110fuel,then you still wanna nerf it. Stop raging pls. Pz 4 is fine as it is .
Actually, I wanted no nerf nor buff. I just wanted it to duel a T-34-85 and a E8 but be less capable against infantry.
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15 Sep 2015, 09:09 AM
#20
Posts: 1653
As the title suggests, current Panzer 4 for both Pr0stheer and OKW is in a bad spot. It shreds infantry a little bit too good and struggles against med to heavy targets. What I offer is, reduce its AoE and its damage a bit against infantry, keep its damage against vehicles as the same and increase its penetration. It barely penetrates Cromwells+Shermans. It actually seems like low-velocity 75mm Sherman AP has exact the same penetration as a high velocity KwK40-L48 German cannon. Also, the Command Panzer 4 is fine and it needs a little bit more love against infantry.
Their are both fine as they are. OKW Pz4 only becomes really good when it's vet 2+. But it costs even more than a T34/85 that still does insane damage to the Pz4. Ostheer Pz4 should get the armour upgrade immediatly when you start with that tank, so that it can finaly take some good hits.
Don't nerf it, please buff it a small bit. It's good against infantry (thank god) and it's mediocre against tanks (Fine for me)
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