+1. Many of them are utterly useless.
Suggestions:
1. Flak: Make them more expensive but also buff their HP and make them un-snipeble (Like UKF)
2. Critical Repair (USF superglue)
3. I think the ability decreases the accuracy, remove the debuff. Increase duration.
4. Increase turret rotation, target acquisition and accuracy.
Relic: Call for attention - OKW underwhelming abilities
11 Sep 2015, 12:15 PM
#21
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11 Sep 2015, 12:18 PM
#22
Posts: 1217
Good post, I agree.
I might add "Radio Silence" from the Special operations doctrine as a useless ability. I pretty much never use it.
"When activated, all units are hidden on the enemy mini-map." Cost: 25 munitions.
The problem: Your enemy has to use the mini-map extensively. You don´t know whether it has any practical effect. It should be switched to something else. An idea would be to totally deactivate the other players mini-map for some time (for a higher price though).
I might add "Radio Silence" from the Special operations doctrine as a useless ability. I pretty much never use it.
"When activated, all units are hidden on the enemy mini-map." Cost: 25 munitions.The problem: Your enemy has to use the mini-map extensively. You don´t know whether it has any practical effect. It should be switched to something else. An idea would be to totally deactivate the other players mini-map for some time (for a higher price though).
11 Sep 2015, 13:10 PM
#23
Posts: 2819
Good post, I agree.
I might add "Radio Silence" from the Special operations doctrine as a useless ability. I pretty much never use it.
The problem: Your enemy has to use the mini-map extensively. You don´t know whether it has any practical effect. It should be switched to something else. An idea would be to totally deactivate the other players mini-map for some time (for a higher price though).
There is a difference between a useless ability and an ability that you never use
.It's a niche ability, not a useless.
All posts made are about situations in 2v2's. Not a 1v1 player.
11 Sep 2015, 13:21 PM
#24
Posts: 102
Zeroing arty takes one minute to activate; just compare it to USF 240mm one, Jaeger 105mm arty, forward HQtrucks concept is obsolete now, Steelwires.
11 Sep 2015, 13:42 PM
#25
1 Posts: 412
HEAT rounds are not useless...On a JPIV getting the camo damage bonus with heat rounds takes away half the health of an IS2...
11 Sep 2015, 14:24 PM
#26
Posts: 145
HEAT rounds are not useless...On a JPIV getting the camo damage bonus with heat rounds takes away half the health of an IS2...
Yes that apply to vet 5 jagpanzer4, and it has more to do with extreme good vet5 bonus not HEAT round. Apart from that and KT, HEAT rounds are rather "meh".
Over year ago i did some testing and i came to this conclusions:
High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) Shells - still trying to figure out how this ability works and how should be used.
First I tried it with panther vs IS2 frontal armor, while ability is active Panther will shoot only twice (comparing it to command panther mark target ability its underwhelming).
Then I tried it in on Jagpanzer/P4 (better ROF) vs ISU frontal armor, all shots deflected. So either base penetration + heat buff doesnt cut it or the ability is bugged.
I dont see any point using it vs normal armor (t34,shermans) since most of OKW tanks dont have problems penetrating them, also I dont see any point of using it vs rear armor of heavy ones since they also have large chance to penetrate it without heat shells
20:53 - slother: its time
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20:54 - slother: its time to lose our streak
20:54 - Вοгіﻛ Τ Rατ: hehe let me have a shower
20:54 - Вοгіﻛ Τ Rατ: i need to feel clean for the rape
11 Sep 2015, 14:30 PM
#27
Posts: 129
+1
11 Sep 2015, 14:56 PM
#28
Posts: 225 | Subs: 1
Yes that apply to vet 5 jagpanzer4, and it has more to do with extreme good vet5 bonus not HEAT round. Apart from that and KT, HEAT rounds are rather "meh".
Over year ago i did some testing and i came to this conclusions:
High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) Shells - still trying to figure out how this ability works and how should be used.
First I tried it with panther vs IS2 frontal armor, while ability is active Panther will shoot only twice (comparing it to command panther mark target ability its underwhelming).
Then I tried it in on Jagpanzer/P4 (better ROF) vs ISU frontal armor, all shots deflected. So either base penetration + heat buff doesnt cut it or the ability is bugged.
I dont see any point using it vs normal armor (t34,shermans) since most of OKW tanks dont have problems penetrating them, also I dont see any point of using it vs rear armor of heavy ones since they also have large chance to penetrate it without heat shells
Well,i guess you understood something wrong here.
HEAT ammo increases the dmg by 33%(i am not sure if this is correct) which definitely can give you the edge in an usually equal fight.
Low armor targets are better cause you can finish them off a lot faster.
Usually:
vet 3 puma = t34
Heat vet 3 Puma > t 34
For example,depending on cirdcumstances and micro.
11 Sep 2015, 15:11 PM
#29
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Posts: 42
+1
"Who fights can win, who does not fight has already lost." Brecht
11 Sep 2015, 15:13 PM
#30
Posts: 76
Id like to see relic to buff the okw faction becaouse right now i think its the weakest of all.
i very rarely see any okw players out there and i think when playing the okw its always to catch up, because you have the ressource penalty and on top of that weak volksgrenadiers.
maybe they should buff the commanders alongside with buffs for volksgrenadier and maybe give an mg42 to have a suppression dealer.
i very rarely see any okw players out there and i think when playing the okw its always to catch up, because you have the ressource penalty and on top of that weak volksgrenadiers.
maybe they should buff the commanders alongside with buffs for volksgrenadier and maybe give an mg42 to have a suppression dealer.
11 Sep 2015, 15:15 PM
#31
Posts: 1217
Oh, please. Has it ever happened that you thought: "Hey I´m going to use that ability to totally hide my advance", and it actually worked out? Because for me that never ever happened. I´m not a bad player either.
There is a difference between a useless ability and an ability that you never use
It's a niche ability, not a useless.
Likewise I have never ever been tricked by that ability.
Most people look at the real battlefield and scroll around. The ability works only versus people playing almost exclusively with the mini-map. I dare to say this is the absolute minority.
11 Sep 2015, 15:33 PM
#32
Posts: 145
Well,i guess you understood something wrong here.
HEAT ammo increases the dmg by 33%(i am not sure if this is correct) which definitely can give you the edge in an usually equal fight.
My fault... Tooltip is misleading then "Tanks are now issued HEAT ammunition for increased penetration."
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20:54 - Вοгіﻛ Τ Rατ: fail time
20:54 - slother: its time to lose our streak
20:54 - Вοгіﻛ Τ Rατ: hehe let me have a shower
20:54 - Вοгіﻛ Τ Rατ: i need to feel clean for the rape
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