Weapon drops happen so much now?

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 18:47 PMcomm_ash

The problem is that British infantry actually carry 4 slotted weapons, but two of them are droppable.

I'm serious! At vet 3, British Infantry Sections get 2 scoped enfields. These enfields don't o anything but look cool, but they count as slotted weapons. What ends up happening, is that it causes IS to have guard syndrome. They start shedding weapons very quickly.

It's pretty funny, but annoying nonetheless.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 18:47 PMcomm_ash

The problem is that British infantry actually carry 4 slotted weapons, but two of them are droppable.

I'm serious! At vet 3, British Infantry Sections get 2 scoped enfields. These enfields don't o anything but look cool, but they count as slotted weapons. What ends up happening, is that it causes IS to have guard syndrome. They start shedding weapons very quickly.

It's pretty funny, but annoying nonetheless.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 19:10 PMAlexzandvar

All weapons have independent drop rates, how many things a squad is holding has no dependency on weather it will be dropped other than if there is nobody that can hold it and the model holding it dies. So you can have a weapon that almost never drops even if the squad doesn't have remaining units to hold it because the drop rate on it is very low.

Brens and Piats have 33% chance to drop on death, like almost all weapons in the game.

On the topic of weapon slots; Pgren/Storm/Ober MP44's count as do all G43's. The Scoped Lee isn't anything special in the regard of it being classified as a slot item.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 20:21 PMcomm_ash

Read my post again. I didn't say that the bren and PIAT have a higher tendency to drop. I said that they seem to drop more because its possible for them to drop as soon as the IS goes from 4 models to 3.

Except, you know, the G43 doesn't come on squads that have other droppable weapons, so it doesn't cause the same problem.

STG44s take up weapon slots, but they do not work the same way as scoped enfields. You will never see a schreck pgren squad with 2 STGs and no pshrecks, because the Panzerschrecks have priority.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 21:12 PMAlexzandvar

That's not how that works. The reason why it happens/happened to Guards is that PTRS's have a slot size of 1, something carrying a PTRS cannot take another weapon. Tommy Scoped Lee's have a squad size of 0, if you try and pick something up with a Tommy squad that's been reduce to 2 men with Scope Lee's you can pick it up.

G43's count as slot weapons but have a size of 0, so they don't stop you from picking other things up and if you lose models they will keep the item you picked up. I brought this up to point out why what you said isn't correct.

They do not take up weapons slots, you can still pick things up if you have StG44s (Ober StG44's do count tho). The reason why I point out they were slot weapons is just because something is classified as a slot weapon does not mean that it takes up space.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 21:39 PMcomm_ash

The scoped enfield is not coded the same as other weapons. It doesn't take up a "slot" but it does take up a model

and thus a 4 man vet 3 IS with 2 brens has a chance of dropping the bren EACH TIME a member dies.

You would see this in action if you played as brits, but I'm assuming you haven't?

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 22:13 PMAlexzandvar

Were are you finding this information, because I am looking at the game files themselves and the Scoped Lee Enfield Rifle has nothing in it's code, weapon package code, weapon veternacy addition action code and the IS squad veterancy code. All weapons I listed are "model" specific weapons but that doesn't increase the chance of weapon drops because none of them take up weapon slots.



This is how weapon rack weapons work though? I assumed you would know this from playing USF but upgrade slot weapons (what Axis uses) tend to almost never drop because they upgrade is tied to the squad not the model and only drop when the squad dies. Why do you think Volks who have a weapon (and thus are not able to take the shrek from the other member) get the shrek back when they reinforce?



I'm sorry that I'm to busy to wait 2 hours for a game, I'll make sure to let my professors know that I'm offending you by skipping class to stare are a search percentage.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 22:17 PMcomm_ash

Just watch some live games or replays then. You WILL see this in action. That I can guarantee you 100%.

The Model "Keeps" the weapon, which doesn't allow the bren to go to the full model. Drop chance achieved.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 23:09 PMAlexzandvar

All weapon rack weapons are easier to be dropped not by percentage chance but because they are not tied to the squad. If the model that is holding it dies there is a chance for the weapon to drop. You can see this effect in action USF who drop weapons more often (despite not having higher pure drop chance). Iv had games were I traded 1919's back and forth between my enemy several times. Almost all Axis slot weapon upgrades are either not able to be dropped at all, or are upgrades tied to the squad itself (which is why you see Volks magically reinforcing with shreks).

There is a possibility it's bugged, but nothing in the game files indicate that this is the case. If I'm wrong about this then I hope there is a rational explination for why this is indeed occurring.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 23:15 PMcomm_ash

I will tell you right now you are wrong. You can keep talking about statistics all day, but the fact of the matter is that it IS happening. Stop wasting time and go see for yourself.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 19:10 PMAlexzandvar

All weapons have independent drop rates, how many things a squad is holding has no dependency on weather it will be dropped other than if there is nobody that can hold it and the model holding it dies. So you can have a weapon that almost never drops even if the squad doesn't have remaining units to hold it because the drop rate on it is very low.

Brens and Piats have 33% chance to drop on death, like almost all weapons in the game.

On the topic of weapon slots; Pgren/Storm/Ober MP44's count as do all G43's. The Scoped Lee isn't anything special in the regard of it being classified as a slot item.

Oh and there actually is a difference between Scoped and Regular Lee's! Scoped take 1 second longer to reload

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 23:55 PMFiresparks

slotted weapon goes to the next free model. If there's no free model then it roll for drop.

Assuming the squad size upgrade is purchased, the 2 scope lee enfield drop the number of free models to 3. Since most tommies are also given 2 bren as well, they start dropping weapon once they are down to 4 men.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2015, 23:58 PMAlexzandvar

The question is why do Scope Lee's cause this to happen but the other slot weapons like G43's don't cause it? Because as far as I cant tell there is nothing in the Scope Lee's files into indicate why this would occur (both slot file and weapon file).

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2015, 00:11 AMFiresparks

g43 and the scope lee enfield have 0% drop rate.

When it was possible to buy lmg42 and g43 together it would cause the lmg42 to drop. Most squads are also not overloaded like the vet3 tommies and the guards.