Soviet DSKH is too strong now

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26 Jun 2015, 14:03 PMnewvan

Especially in most OP doctrine - the mighty Defensive Tactics.

MG-42 with Incendiary Armor Piercing Rounds (non doctrinal, 240)
damage - 8
penetration - 19.8/16.2/12.6

DShK with AP rounds (doctrinal*2, 300)
damage - 10
penetration - 13.5/9/4.5

AP grounds increases the pen by 4, so it's now

18/12/6

To put this in perspective, the only Light Vehicles it won't 100% pen with those on at mid and close range are the Puma and Panzer II

At 8 shots per burst that's 80 damage for the Dhsk

At 16 shots per burst that's 128 damage for the MG42.

Both AP rounds require a reload before firing, which the Dhsk does in 4 seconds while the MG42 takes 6 seconds.

The Dhsk probably needs to either get better AP rounds or a cost decrease or CP decrease. By no means is it OP, but then again the MG42 could also use a cost increase so *shrug*.

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use smoke an flank

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26 Jun 2015, 18:29 PMQueenRatchet123

use smoke an flank

OKW has no infantry based smoke except on Obers and Fallsch as a Vet 1 ability

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26 Jun 2015, 18:02 PMAlexzandvar

The Dhsk probably needs to either get better AP rounds or a cost decrease or CP decrease. By no means is it OP, but then again the MG42 could also use a cost increase so *shrug*.

timing wise, all it EVER needed was to be 1cp so it wasn't the first unit built and instantly able to grab a building. 1cp is like 30 seconds into the match which would have been perfect.

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the dskh is the most expensive mg in game, and still vulnerable to the usual counter.

If he's in the open you can sneak up a mg42 on it. Once the dskh is suppressed it's as weak as any mg. Or just build a mortar. the 81mm is probably the best mortar in the game and cheaper than the dskh.

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26 Jun 2015, 13:53 PMJustin xv

Use smoke and flank and l2p and u cant blob now and flank and use smoke nao u cant roflstomp into mg's and steal them and use smoke and flank

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Its a simple matter of learning to flank

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26 Jun 2015, 14:50 PMKatitof

Good, now we set up a trap and wait until alex comes here, trying to explain to us all how DSHK is worth 300mp and how MG42 is not OP at all for 240mp and how DSHK is superior MG with most stats lower and higher cost.

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26 Jun 2015, 18:02 PMAlexzandvar

AP grounds increases the pen by 4, so it's now

18/12/6

To put this in perspective, the only Light Vehicles it won't 100% pen with those on at mid and close range are the Puma and Panzer II

At 8 shots per burst that's 80 damage for the Dhsk

At 16 shots per burst that's 128 damage for the MG42.

Both AP rounds require a reload before firing, which the Dhsk does in 4 seconds while the MG42 takes 6 seconds.

The Dhsk probably needs to either get better AP rounds or a cost decrease or CP decrease. By no means is it OP, but then again the MG42 could also use a cost increase so *shrug*.