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aren´t OKW units prices adjusted to that fuel penalty???? just asking, I´m not sure about it.
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aren´t OKW units prices adjusted to that fuel penalty???? just asking, I´m not sure about it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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If we consider the fuel penalty for OKW, than we can conclude that going KT is even less viable than going double Panthers. You only need two tech structures for panthers, not all.
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Thats a good thing. Heavy tanks shouldn't always be viable. They should have their uses, but have significant downsides. This is also why I like the design of the tiger much more than the design of the IS2.
Heavies should not be something you see every game, and changing the KTs cost to make it more viable in every game is a bad thing. It performs as a 260fu unit, and is timed to come in very late game, to encourage players to build supporting armor first (JP, PV).
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A unit should be viable, the King tiger is not.
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Thanks for the input guys. Also for the record I'm pretty sure that nondoc units< doc units of the same price.
Seeing as how everyone can't get a King Tiger- and Halftracks aren't really a good carrot- maybe a global upgrade that unlocks once everything is researched. It would be a lot like the Panzer Elite Sprint.
Soviets-Conscripts get 1 DP per squad, cheaper, or something.
USF- all infantry gets passive sprint.
Ostheer- Pionior repair rate increases drastically.
Spitballing here for the mod I'm making sometime in Winter.
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King Tiger is in a good place IMO. It's the first order optimal strat for OKWs late game. Very good power for the micro required, but better players have better options.
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Nah, it is not worth its cost. I will keep saying it, rather have 2 or 3 panthers for that matter. Had a game tonight were I decided to go for it again, regretted it as soon as it got swarmed by 85s.
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It is not a unit where it is useful every game...
Which wouldnt be very creative if it was.
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Haha, explain to me why the t34-85 is then.
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The T34/85 is a broken unit thanks to not requiring tech. Just about everyone agrees that something needs to be done with it. You can't compare a unit to a broken unit and consider the unbroken unit UP. Thats not how it works.
Also, 2 panthers cost 175*2 = 350 fu. 1 KT = 260 + 50 = 310 fu, so 1 KT is cheaper than 2 panthers, while also giving you access to all of your tech. It is a decision that you make as a player. The Panther is useful as offensive AT for me, but requires supplemental sources due to its low DPS. The KT is a more defensive unit that wipes infantry squads and wrecks any armor, at a shorter range. The KT also has more armor (same armor as IS2 which everyone agrees iss hard to pen) and more HP, allowing it to stay on the field longer.
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Where did I ever stated the KT was underpowered? (did you mean underperforming by UP?) I simply don't think the tank is worth its price when you can get 2 panthers for roughly the same price far quicker than you can the KT. Two panthers are just more effective and cost effective as a whole. KT is only viable if you are winning and have the resources to get it with ease. Rushing for it is a fools move in my opinion.
To get KT you need 50+50+80+260= 440, you need all 3 buildings. That is 260 plus 180..
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So don't rush it. Use it to supplement yourself later. Its a good thing that rushing for a KT is a bad thing. Build a JP4, then a KT lategame. KT + JP is the best combo in game, as it can deal with all threats, tanks and infantry.
Either way, getting 2 panthers is an inefficient use of resources. 1 PV + 1 JP4 will give you more AT DPS as well as more range, while still having a meatshield.
I was counting how much the KT costs vs. buying 2 panthers, the tech cost to tech to panther is within the cost of the KT, so the price will cancel out. If it makes you feel better:
KT: 50+80+260= 390
2 PV: 80+175+175= 440
(OKW starts with 50 fu)
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Why would they?
Isn't panther cost an answer in itself?
OKW fuel penalty is a limiting factor for armor presence, it doesn't mean you make up for it in cost with other resources.
An already muni starved faction (OKW) is now more muni starved and still can't build caches.
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