The game is desinged to spam units brainless and win. Relic might change some stats, maybe making other units more worth it to spam, but there will always be spam.
No point in opening a thread. Like it or play something else
repetitiveness and spam, the true disease of this game
14 May 2015, 08:05 AM
#21
Posts: 175
14 May 2015, 08:47 AM
#22
Posts: 1534 | Subs: 1
Try out microing two 120mm on semiosky.
It is an age old problem, spam and blob is too effective.
It is an age old problem, spam and blob is too effective.
14 May 2015, 10:24 AM
#23
Posts: 85
Leave this game if you don't like it
14 May 2015, 10:40 AM
#24
Posts: 2272 | Subs: 1
the game is great.
i think the only problem issued here is that in many commanders there is Elite Infantry AND Elite Tanks. I suggest switching some abilities like switching the IS2 with an ability of NKVD and stuff like that so commanders are less of an obvious choice. Call-Ins should either be a shock Unit (like the stug E) or a long Term reward Unit (like JagdTiger) and only come at like 14CP but there shouldnt be both in one commander.
Also i suggest to switch the double t34/85 with the t34/76 of the t3 building and make them come a bit earlier. This also addresses the issue that the difference between the t70 and the t34/76 is too low imo
i think the only problem issued here is that in many commanders there is Elite Infantry AND Elite Tanks. I suggest switching some abilities like switching the IS2 with an ability of NKVD and stuff like that so commanders are less of an obvious choice. Call-Ins should either be a shock Unit (like the stug E) or a long Term reward Unit (like JagdTiger) and only come at like 14CP but there shouldnt be both in one commander.
Also i suggest to switch the double t34/85 with the t34/76 of the t3 building and make them come a bit earlier. This also addresses the issue that the difference between the t70 and the t34/76 is too low imo
14 May 2015, 10:48 AM
#25
Posts: 1705
Your guidance is uncanny, one can only envision what terror you bestow upon the battlefield. Yet I wonder, how does this resolve the spam issues?
Legendary.
14 May 2015, 11:13 AM
#26
Posts: 125
This looks like a balance whine thread.
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14 May 2015, 11:32 AM
#27
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Replace the word spam with use and everything is fine lol..
14 May 2015, 11:49 AM
#28
Posts: 102
Spamming and also blobbing is simply to effective and has no real disadvantage or suffers any penalties.
And on the other hand using combined arms and advancing your troops tactically (cover, flanking, etc.) doesn't provide better results compared to spamming at all and yet requires a huge amount of effort to pull off.
So spamming is simply easier to play and far more rewarding. Combined arms works pretty well in CoH2, it's just spamming works even better and is much easier to play.
It really is a petty, but, like Inverse said, at this point I doubt this is considered to be changed by Relic. It seems to be the "intended" gameplay.
The fact it has never been touched at all emphezises it, because implementing changes to reward combined arms and punish mindless spamming would be totally possible. I have read many good suggestions in this forum. But it has been ignored so far and will be in the future.
regards
ace
And on the other hand using combined arms and advancing your troops tactically (cover, flanking, etc.) doesn't provide better results compared to spamming at all and yet requires a huge amount of effort to pull off.
So spamming is simply easier to play and far more rewarding. Combined arms works pretty well in CoH2, it's just spamming works even better and is much easier to play.
It really is a petty, but, like Inverse said, at this point I doubt this is considered to be changed by Relic. It seems to be the "intended" gameplay.
The fact it has never been touched at all emphezises it, because implementing changes to reward combined arms and punish mindless spamming would be totally possible. I have read many good suggestions in this forum. But it has been ignored so far and will be in the future.
regards
ace
14 May 2015, 11:52 AM
#29
1 Posts: 98
I was just wondering when batman was gonna hit us with another whine thread. Its been too long
14 May 2015, 11:54 AM
#30
1 Posts: 98
I mean, that's kinda how the game was designed. It's a game about micro with token strategic elements. You can love it or hate it, but it's pretty obvious at this point that the design philosophy is here to stay.
Can't wait to quote you on this in a few months
14 May 2015, 12:35 PM
#31
Posts: 32
Try building 4 Grens into T2 and a 251. Then convert fuel to ammo for 4x LMG42. Works quite well.
Hang on how do you convert fuel to ammo as ost ?
14 May 2015, 12:51 PM
#32
Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1
Con spam (even with PTRS upg.) works only in small game modes, where it is possible to outcap your opponent (not necessary defeating him in several fights).
I don't see how building 3 Rifleman squads is called spam (like there are any other options for USF in the early game)
Same for 1 or 2 IS-2 call-ins (2 units is spam?).
Guards/Shock spam - still need 1-2 cons for merge/recrew/AT nade, 1-2 ATG. That looks more like combined arms for me.
Something wrong with useage of word "spam" 'nowadays.
There are 1-2 main infantry units and 1-2 main tanks for each faction.
Doctrinal units most of the time are just straight upgrade to stock units, so they will just replace them in that case, not complement them.
How can it be other than spamming main units and ocassionally throwing in support/[hardcounter specialist] unit or two?
I don't see how building 3 Rifleman squads is called spam (like there are any other options for USF in the early game)
Same for 1 or 2 IS-2 call-ins (2 units is spam?).
Guards/Shock spam - still need 1-2 cons for merge/recrew/AT nade, 1-2 ATG. That looks more like combined arms for me.
Something wrong with useage of word "spam" 'nowadays.
There are 1-2 main infantry units and 1-2 main tanks for each faction.
Doctrinal units most of the time are just straight upgrade to stock units, so they will just replace them in that case, not complement them.
How can it be other than spamming main units and ocassionally throwing in support/[hardcounter specialist] unit or two?
14 May 2015, 12:53 PM
#33
Posts: 1144 | Subs: 7
People are just angry that two of their units in cover won't beat 5 units in a blob. Which is ok and should be happening.
14 May 2015, 13:06 PM
#34
Posts: 987
People are just angry that two of their units in cover won't beat 5 units in a blob. Which is ok and should be happening.
You're right about why they're angry but I think you're wrong about whether or not it should be happening.
If it should be part of the game, then to what extent should it be effective (damage/second) and to what extent penalised (rec acc, splash)?
I think a lot of people loved CoH for being an alternative to blob n spam games. Suppression and cover mechanics add a lot to the gameplay. You had to learn positioning, timing, tricky mechanics. These things are of less importance when blobbing is effective.
Currently all I see is a battle of who can get the bigger blob and focus fire his enemy down while pressing retreat in time for his units being focused.
And then guards motor/shock rifle/Tiger/whatever meta.
Let's keep it constructive
14 May 2015, 13:08 PM
#35
Posts: 204
Permanently BannedAs this seems to be a 2v2 thread i kinda disagree here.
You forgot:
SU:
-Double clowncar
-Double sniper
-1 M3 + 1 sniper into later a 2nd sniper
-Theres some people going heavy Penal flamers or mixing it
-Maxim spam
What about the supporting units?
-Maxim (not spammed)
-120, 81, Zis etc.
-T70 or M5 rush?
-Katyusha ?
Doctrinal choice you forgot
-ISU152
-FHQ
-The unusual Howitzer or B4
From all the factions, SU is the one with most options, the problem is that you are mostly stack with that option (due to commander selection or tech choice).
I could continue with the other factions but i think that's not the point.
I would like to know how much of a unit is consider spam.
AND it's not like OKW/USF won't spam when they have little variety of support weapons and units to work with.
I stated the things I came across most common. Your options, I do see them from time to time, yet they are not what I face almost every game xd
Well 5 to 6 conscripts, 3 to 4 guards, 4 shocks, not to mention 4 to 5 maxims, 4 t34 85s, 2 is2s. Very common in 2v2s, and just very lame. It is not that it is unbeatable, it is just boring, straight out boring and reptitive.
14 May 2015, 13:09 PM
#36
Posts: 204
Permanently Banned
Hah, really? Do you have CAS? If yes, try it. Convert 2-3 times and see your grens having all lmg42s, your pzgrens having all shrecks while using rifle nades or bundle grenades every time you want to. Sounds good? Well, it's possible. Currently, OStheer blob > OKW blob and in general Ostheer > OKW. The shittiest of the shittiest faction right now it's OKW. Hell, I'm going to improve my Ostheer stats, fuck OKW.
I have that doctrine yes, but I find it pretty boring to be honest haha, I like to have tanks
. Never tried that tactic though, I will use it thank you!
14 May 2015, 13:10 PM
#37
Posts: 204
Permanently Banned
14 May 2015, 13:10 PM
#38
Posts: 1954
This looks like a balance whine thread.
Evidently Tier 1 Soviet is cheese while Tier 2 is spam so some people end up eating a spam and cheese sandwich and feel the need to have some whine with it.
14 May 2015, 13:12 PM
#39
Posts: 204
Permanently BannedThis looks like a balance whine thread.
Not at all. I conclude that all factions use spam, but only that my own capabilities with Ostheer spam are worthless.
14 May 2015, 13:24 PM
#40
1 Posts: 98
I conclude that all factions use spam,
Good work detective
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