Is the King Tiger still worth 260 fuel?

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2015, 16:59 PMLemonJuice

When thinking about unit balance you should think about the faction as a whole instead of comparing it to other similar units. OKW has excellent support with shrek'd volks, lmg obers, the recent raketen, jp4, etc. soviets on the other hand have to rely on zis guns shocks and the su85 to help support the is2. They don't even have a mirror to the shrek, and zis guns can be quickly cleared by obers.

The KT shouldn't be a unit that wins the tame on its own, but rather helps to win the game with the rest of the army.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2015, 17:21 PMLemonJuice

Here's the thing though, if your opponent has enough fuel to call in 2 or 3 is2s once they have 11 cp and you havent punished them for doing infantry only play you kind of deserve to lose. The only fuel purchase I mentioned with the jp4. You don't even need to get it to have good supporting at, and if they're not teching you don't need it at all, you can just rely on shrek raketen and mines. If you get the jp4 though it significantly helps in dealing with enemy armor and stalling the game to get your units more vet and grind it out for the kt.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2015, 18:30 PMButcher

Feels like a glass cannon now - despite having still IS-2 armor. Everything focuses fire on it and it goes down way too fast for my taste. Coupled with slow speed its only good for the defensive. Paying 260 fuel + buying all buildings + decreased fuel income + not spending the fuel on anything else is a bit much for a unit that can sit at one VP and guard it.

Disagree with me but I´m disappointed.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2015, 18:37 PMWingZero

KT is not mandatory btw. Even if you build all those buildings, you are reaping the rewards from them. Don't forget you have other choices of Armor and call ins aside from KT.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 02:24 AMNuclear Arbitor

more like you got your first two tiers in the first 10 minutes, have that extra truck, and are floating resources so you might as well place it. that can be anywhere from 12 minutes in to 45, depending on how bad you're doing. seriously, it's an extra 200 mp and 40 fuel, those tiers are dirt cheap.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 02:31 AMNuclear Arbitor

it can. but if you're doing fine with infantry it's not a big hurry and even with the nerfs OKW can float quite well on infantry.

no, it's not always an option but it usually is and you usually want to place it with your other two buildings which are usually together so that they cover each other.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 03:11 AMmalecite

In a 3 v 3 today one went down in seconds to the new super Jacksons with 240 damage mega penetration rounds.

It doesn't really seem to do much of anything now, it's too slow to get into the fight quickly, and now with the tank destroyer buff it seems pretty risky.

So I guess it's a defensive tank?

I really don't know how to use this thing effectively anymore.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 02:56 AMAlexzandvar

No? You never want to place trucks close to each other because of artillery. Fully teching gives you access to the KT because if it was a call in then it would be abused and everyone would always go for that 1 KT commander.

The heavies would all be more balanced if they were tied to teching like it is, but right now with call in meta the KT deserves to be the best because it costs a fuckload compared to the call in tanks.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 03:11 AMmalecite

In a 3 v 3 today one went down in seconds to the new super Jacksons with 240 damage mega penetration rounds.

It doesn't really seem to do much of anything now, it's too slow to get into the fight quickly, and now with the tank destroyer buff it seems pretty risky.

So I guess it's a defensive tank?

I really don't know how to use this thing effectively anymore.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2015, 16:37 PMAlexzandvar

They nerfed it remember?



Here are the movement stats to if your wondering

IS2:

Deceleration:
2.4
On ice accel decel multiplier:
0.6
Acceleration:
1.7
Max:
5.0

KT:

Deceleration:
1.8
On ice accel decel multiplier:
0.6
Acceleration:
1.4
Max:
3.8

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2015, 20:17 PMAlexzandvar

His point about it being defensive is right, it's the slowest of the 3 heavy MBT's, but is has the same armor as the IS2 now which is much faster than the KT which has only about 1 extra Jackson shot's worth of health more than the standard heavies.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 02:56 AMAlexzandvar

The heavies would all be more balanced if they were tied to teching like it is, but right now with call in meta the KT deserves to be the best because it costs a fuckload compared to the call in tanks.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 16:59 PMAlexzandvar

Really the biggest issue is that the lower armor combined with the Jackson buff means that you need to be very very conservative with it because of it's slow speed.

Every Soviet team mate is using market target commanders now so it kind of compounds the problem, It makes more sense just to get a Jadgtiger or spend the fuel on more diverse tanks. The Command Panther and Regular Panther are much faster and much easier to keep alive.

The KT now is a great defensive tank, for assaults? Not so much.