Over nerfed Obers

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 13:22 PMThe Silver Sage

1st of all if you know how smokes work you just pack up that mg42 and move back, people who do that have not much trouble with shocks as I have seen on both sides.

2nd where was I impolite? I said shock troops are stupid enough to brin a knife not you.

3rd shocks only come in a doctrine unlike Obers so if we are switching obers for shocks of course they will go in that doctrine, and shocks are in the doctrine with IS2 so yes please give me doctrine with shocks and is2.

You didn't think your argument through.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 13:23 PMJaigen

Time for basic math: 10 % of 80 = 8 multiply by 3 = 24 so that means 80 + 24 = 104.

Really? dude

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 13:23 PMJaigen

Time for basic math: 10 % of 80 = 8 multiply by 3 = 24 so that means 80 + 24 = 104.

Really? dude

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 13:54 PMVitor

Holy shit, dat math.

(1/0,7) = 1,42
(80 * 1,42) = 113,6 effective HP against small arms.

By your logic, if obers had 0.2 rec acc modifier then:

8*8 = 64, so obers would have 144 effective hp.

But in reality, it would be a 400% increase because:

(1/0.2) = 5
(80*5) = 400 effective hp.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 14:32 PMKatitof

@The Silver Sage
He never really had.
Just like with austerlitz, alex or sierra you argue him for fun, not for actual productive argument with rational points and valid proofs.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 10:55 AMJohnnyB

Ok. Then be advised that I will trash your Obers with my shocks anytime, anywhere, anyhow on every map you can think of and you won't win one engagement. With or without your 60 amo upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:03 PMQueenRatchet123

Dont make me laugh

Obers are better 9 times outa 10

OKW ALWAYS FLOATS

vanilla obers beat all allied infrantry (ignore the OP PTRS, and they do beat para's when both are at vet0)

they get vet 5 and still have bullshit supression and sprint.

If shocks has passive sprint they would be better....

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:11 PMThe Silver Sage

Very very true, even 2 squads of shocks with any other inf can be a massive MP drain for Soviets. 2-3 ober squads and you see the OKW floating 600MP that shows the difference in MP bleed between the squads.

Shocks: Give their lives to get in close and scare enemy away.

Obers: A move with lmg or if played properly (making them way more powerful), in green cover at long range drinking tea in between bursts.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:44 PMAlexzandvar

Remember when people were saying the Ober nerf would stop the blobing? lol.

OKW will always be blob prone as long as they lack support weapons and the ability to make tanks.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:44 PMAlexzandvar

Remember when people were saying the Ober nerf would stop the blobing? lol.

OKW will always be blob prone as long as they lack support weapons and the ability to make tanks.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:56 PMSpecialka

But OKW does not lack vehicles. Puma/JP4, they are very potent BUT ppl wants stuff easy to use, so they go Panther and bitch about Puma and JP4. They just lack skill and can't admit it.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:00 PMWingZero

Typical OKW player lacks the micro to use Puma so they prefer A-attack blobs with Obers.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:56 PMSpecialka

But OKW does not lack vehicles. Puma/JP4, they are very potent BUT ppl wants stuff easy to use, so they go Panther and bitch about Puma and JP4. They just lack skill and can't admit it.

Typical OKW player lacks the micro to use Puma so they prefer A-attack blobs with Obers.

Yeah on one hand they say su85 is excellent then they call the jp4 trash even though it'll have a much easier time getting through allied armour. When used well they are really good, but still they call it trash... go figure!

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:52 PMAlexzandvar

Nobody has ever said the JPIV is trash, but the SU-85 and JPIV are different for several reasons. One Both can sight for itselfthemselves one can just sight to max range with a movement nerf, one has better armor, one has a traversable gun, one does not.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:52 PMAlexzandvar

Why are you guys so dead set on insulting literally every player who plays OKW? Because people can play more than 1 faction.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:57 PMJHeartless

Fixed. JP4 sees out to Range 45 at vet 0 further at Vet 2.

Majority of the OKW SS-Das Reich players I faced are n00bs and use only one strategy. I play OKW as well but I exploit different kind of strategies. People tend forget OKW has verity of options. I prefer building Falls and Fus than Obers on some games.