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So use doctrinal infantry instead.
OKW doesn't lack that.
Soviets rely in it since day 1.
Obers are still potent, you might see that if you play the game(as up until now no evidence of it exist) instead of just forum warrioring with johnnyb.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Their cost efficiency with LMG is comparable to M1919 paras, rec acc modifier and vet ensures complete negation of 4v6 squad members difference.
Your point is...?
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Their cost efficiency is comparable to M1919 paras, rec acc modifier and vet ensures complete negation of 4v6 squad members.
Your point is...?
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you are wrong
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Also they still provide quite a punch.
I understand however that a lot of OKW players are used to use them like terminators and it will take some time to adjust and discover their true potential.
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Stop bitching and play the game instead of whining on forums all the time and you'll see for yourself.
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Well, they exist to fight things like Shocks and Para's or stop rifleblobs. They don't really have any utility like the call in infantry do. As far as most units go they are extremely straight forward.
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Are paras and shocks that much different? They have very little utility as well.all 3 have grenades, 2 have smoke, 1 had a booby trap, and amother had a timed demo
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I think Obersoldaten are fine... But 400MP for Obersoldaten with K98k? They should decrease the MP or at least the reinforcement costs.
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This. I think many people simply confused the highly annoying nature of OKW play with its blobs and lack of combined arms with actual strength, and many hyperventilated over the seemingly obscene statline of units like the KT, whereas in 1v1 you would rarely if ever actually have to face one unless you got severely outplayed in the first place. Even in the previous patch, when playing Soviets, OH was usually more of a problem as long as the tech decisions were correct, that is.
As for Obers, I'll reserve judgment for now, it remains to be seen how this plays out, but I think they should have received maybe an increase in reinforcement speed in exchange. Looking at their baseline stats, they are now a glorified Gren squad, albeit still profiting from insanely strong vet bonuses. Well at least thats in line with the OKW theme, ie. weak vanilla, disprortionally strong vetted.
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Nothing ever stopped anybody from using the specialist inf and Obers combined.
Schrek/volks nerfed, raketen buffed => closer to combined arms approach
KT was rarely used in 1v1 + KT nerfed => better balance in 3v3/4v4 games
Obers weaker at vet 0, still execptionally strong at high vet => less brainless useage, rewards unit preservation and playing from faction strengths
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Cost mainly is what stopped that. The OKW call in infantry are all supposed to come in before Obers so generally if you have a large number of infantry already by the time the Schwer is deployed you don't "need" Obers. Or multiple Obers for that matter.
This is especially true with Fallsch, who are quite expensive.
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Last time I looked, OKW has exactly the same manpower as any other faction.
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Last time I looked, OKW has exactly the same manpower as any other faction.
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I would have assumed that too before noticing when I play USF, I never feel so manpower-starved when I'm fucking winning.
Well, kinda like Wehrmacht, but that one's obvious in that it's the teching and building costs.
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