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having suppression teams deal high damage while suppressing works perfectly fine; look at dow2. everything is more lethal in that game.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Thats not really a valid comparison as the game itself is much faster, scale is smaller and there is a melee mechanic, suppression isn't serving the same role as it is here, here its a support platform, in dow2 its heavy damage dealer with benefit of minor crowd control. Countering it in dow2 is also much easier, all you have to do is use jump troops.
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Personally I'd rather see squads get pinned faster, or the suppression defensive bonus fade more rapidly.
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Actually it's harder, because in CoH2 literally all you do is walk up to the MG and kill the gunner no extra effort required.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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How pointing a jump ability from outside of heavy bolter range right on top of them and hardcountering it this way is harder then walking up to MG?
And since you're talking about killing gunner and not actually throwing a nade, then let me remind you this again:
Only one faction got obersoldaten and their power level over 9000 will get reduced to normal human strength in 3 days.
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My thoughts exactly.
(I've only got an example for the mg42. Ciez suggestion should obviously apply to all hmgs.)
Right now a vet0 or vet1 (not using incendiary rounds) mg42 cannot keep a single infantry squad pinned at medium range if the targeted squad is in yellow cover.
(EDIT: Actually pinning a squad in yellow cover in the first place takes ages btw. Due to the defensive buffs of suppresion I guess.)
Try it yourself it - the infantry squad will unpin briefly during the reload animation. That's just silly.
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Only one faction got obersoldaten and their power level over 9000 will get reduced to normal human strength in 3 days...
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Jump Assault Marines into Shuriken
Banshees say Hello bonus dmg vs Power Armour
Bonus melee damage vs retreating squads
Lose EXPENSIVE models on retreat (from a 3 man squad!)
Run Rifles into MG42
Throw Grenade
Retreat
Lose 0 or 1 (or even 2, if you want to argue) model(s) from a 5 man squad because suppression reduces damage dealt
Jumping a squad into melee range is significantly more risky than throwing a grenade from 300km away with grenade bulletins.
"But derpface you have banshee + Shuriken vs Assault Marines, but only rifles vs. MG42!!"
Assault Marines = 500 req 50 power
Banshee = 400 req
Shuriken = 240 req 30 power
Total = 500 req/50 power vs 640 req/30 power. Not identical, but somewhat similar. 20 power for 140 req isn't an unreasonable difference.
Rifleman = 280 MP
MG42 = 240MP
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jump troops do shit for damage and camping anything on the setup team quickly forced them off. jump troops hard countering setup teams has nothing to do with the high damage and lack of suppression shield.
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so in your DOW II scenario you bring an extra unit into the equation but fail to do so with the COH 2 Scenario? How is that fair? if if your adding banshees to the mix then you have to add a gren squad or perhaps pioneers upgraded to the mix....
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How pointing a jump ability from outside of heavy bolter range right on top of them and hardcountering it this way is harder then walking up to MG?
And since you're talking about killing gunner and not actually throwing a nade, then let me remind you this again:
Only one faction got obersoldaten and their power level over 9000 will get reduced to normal human strength in 3 days.
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The MG42/34 either need a larger crew size, better swivel and firing time, or they need to lose the stupid outdated 25% more received accuracy.
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Yup, this really needs to be the case. I would apply it to DShk, .50 cal and Maxim too.
Vet 2 grens rifle grenades dont help either... Step at the edge of the arc, rifle grenade the gunner from a mile away, and the rifles will finish the crew.
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so in your DOW II scenario you bring an extra unit into the equation but fail to do so with the COH 2 Scenario? How is that fair? if if your adding banshees to the mix then you have to add a gren squad or perhaps pioneers upgraded to the mix....
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additionally, not all factions have jump troops. SM and orks have them in t1 and chaos and eldar have them in t2 but eldars jump troops are not melee troops. ig doesn't get any.
the biggest difference i see between dow2 and coh2 is that setup teams were much more expensive in dow2 than coh2 compared to regular units in that they cost a medium amount of requisition and power where as regular infantry do not cost power.
in coh2 regular infantry and suppression teams all cost the same so you can always have an equal amount on the field. it's part of the problem with the maxim and making suppression teams cost more mp would make the mg42 and mg43 easier to balance.
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This isn't helped by the bunching mechanics making it so your crew are all in one big group hug when the nade goes off.
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This isn't help by veterancy mechanics which gives a longer range to Rnades, even more than the MG range.
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