A Thought on Tank Stuns

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 14:43 PMElSlayer

Button is useful sometimes (unless enemy has smoke ofc).

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 14:35 PMAustralian Magic

Answer is quite simple.



It's Volley Fire and Kubel.
Voller was veru useful but was nerfed because it was too punishing to retreat unit so fast and let's rememeber that it costs 20, has a timer and RE are not mobile suppression platform.
On the other hand they gave us Kubel which is doign excatly same thing (but way better) which RE did before nerf

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 14:49 PMAchtAchter

The Kübel is a dedicated suppression unit.
Relic nerfed volley fire because they won the engagement against any other unit they were facing, while being only a builder/supporter unit. Builder/Support units are not supposed to win engangments against combat squads on their own. You are comparing apples and pears. Otherwise you could also complain about maxims and HMG doing also their job, but you chose not, because crying about OKW is so fashionable nowadays.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 14:52 PMAustralian Magic

It's not about unit. It's about effect. VF was too strong because it forced 1 squad to retreat. Kubel can force few squads to retreat in the early game but VF was OP and Kubel is not according to Relic.
Like I said it was not about unit. It was about punishing effect.

Volley Fire was another big issue that we wanted address; the design intention of this ability was to be used as a support ability to give rear echelon combat utility. However what we ended up seeing were rear echelons winning engagement that shouldn’t have won. There was also an exploit with the modifers that were applied when rear echelons equipped with bazookas would fire bazooka shells rapidly. With the new implementation of the ability Volley fire will now have its strength and weakness. The suppression modifers have also been tweaked so there will be very rare cases that a squad will get pinned.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 14:57 PMAchtAchter

Volley Fire is a support ability. Means you have one Riflemen and one RE squad. The RE squad helps the Riflemen squad to win the engagement, its not about retreating or whatever.
If you blob into any suppression unit over red cover your whole army will retreat - OMG PLEASE NERF.

It's not about forcing retreats in early game, it's about units and their dedicated purpose.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 15:09 PMAustralian Magic

Kubel is a support unit. One SP one Kubel squad. Kubel helps SP to win engagement.
What's the difference? Except that Kubel is a way better at suppressing than VF was.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 15:23 PMAchtAchter

No sense talking with you, Kübel is a dedicated suppression unit, just like a maxim, mg42 or mg34.
It's not a fucking builder.
And you seem even to fail reading relics statement about that.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 15:23 PMAchtAchter

No sense talking with you, Kübel is a dedicated suppression unit, just like a maxim, mg42 or mg34.
It's not a fucking builder.
And you seem even to fail reading relics statement about that.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 14:35 PMAustralian Magic

Answer is quite simple.

Guards - allied unit.

Pak40 - OST unit.

#ProAxisDesign

"One element of this action contains an important lesson that should be brought to the attention of all AT elements and particularly tank destroyer units.

(a) "The British gunners did not open until the enemy tank was well within effective range.

(b) "In addition to opening fire with the primary weapon -- the 57-mm -- the AT unit also opened with intense light machine-gun fire which forced the tank to button up and in effect blinded him. His vision apparently became confused and he was actually traversing his gun away from the AT guns when he was knocked out for good.

(c) "Once they opened fire, the British gunners really poured it on and knocked out one more heavy tank and six PzKw 3s. Also, for good measure, one armored car."

The conclusions to be drawn from this action, according to the British officer quoted, are:

(a) "The unobstructed vision of the gunner in a tank destroyer gives him a very real advantage over his opponent squinting through the periscope or narrow vision slits of a tank.

(b) "The tank destroyer unit must force the enemy tank to 'button up' by intense fire from every weapon he has, including machine-guns, tommy guns, and rifles."

The size and weight of a tank such as the PzKw 6 present many problems. It has been indicated from unofficial enemy sources that extensive reconnaissance of terrain, bridges, etc., was necessary before operations with this tank could be undertaken. Bridges have to be reinforced in many cases, and soil conditions must be good for its effective operation. It can therefore be assumed that its field of operation is limited.