Ostheer: What is to be done?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:39 AMAlexzandvar

It's 1.0 faster, that's it. And the accuracy stats are literally the same.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:58 AMNeo

You talking about ToW stats again?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:10 AMmiragefla

Check the scatter on the weapons, not accuracy when taking infantry into account.

P4 has a less scatter.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 01:16 AMNeo

You might need to explain scatter to him first

Check the scatter on the weapons, not accuracy when taking infantry into account.

P4 has a less scatter.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 22:08 PMAlexzandvar

Every stat I can find only points to the t-34/76 being slightly worse than the PIV in anti infantry, and that's just because the T34 has a worse ROF.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 02:27 AMelchino7

@Alex i post all the list, cause it's faster to copy paste an old post.

Accuracy doesn't matter on vehicles, since they basically hit using scatter values (desviation of the shot), AoE, and damage drop off.

Note: theres also a small difference in Area of effect distance near.

"PIV main gun is better than T34 main gun against infantry (and tanks too), PIV hull MG is better, PIV coaxial is better, and PIV has a pintle that has higher DPS than the T34 pintle+coaxial combined as well"

When you combine ALL the factors you end up with a better AI tank, which is actually a real threat to infantry.



-Rof
-Number of Mgs
-DPS of MGs
-Scatter
-Area of effect distance

This without taking into account +45% of deflecting snares or inexistence or inneficience of allied infantry AT.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 02:33 AMAlexzandvar

Iv already said I know the PIV is a better tank

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 20:43 PMBurts

Oh please. I have taken down many tigers with t-34/76s and zis-3. And i have taken down many IS-2s with just PIVS. Learn to micro, and use teller mines. They do help.


Not to mention the PIV is heaps better againts infantry than the t-34/76, you should be able to bleed him quite a bit by killing his infantry.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 07:38 AMausterlitz

You could have taken out the is-2 with pak alone if u had enough and engaged promptly.P4 hardly does any dmg to it,beacuse it can't penetrate is2 at all.P4 costs way more than t-34/76 for its infantry performance.I use p4 solely vs light vehicle,t-34/76 rush and mobile infantry bleeding platform/cache raider.Useless for anything else.
As for tellers i double pack them together lategame when i have muni.If i'm using muni conversion even more so.
Btw ur opponent must have been pretty shit to lose is-2s to paks and p4s unless he hit a mine.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 08:27 AMBurts

PIVs are much more efficent againts infantry than t-34/76s. If your opponent is stalling for call ins, you should be able to bleed his MP quite bad before he gets it.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:39 AMAlexzandvar

It's 1.0 faster, that's it. And the accuracy stats are literally the same.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 08:27 AMBurts

PIVs are much more efficent againts infantry than t-34/76s. If your opponent is stalling for call ins, you should be able to bleed his MP quite bad before he gets it.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 10:46 AMKatitof

Since stupid and you seem to be very close friends:


Let me do advanced, university level math for you, because you might overheat in the process:

6.5-6.3=0.2

0.2=/=1

Reading stats, not for everyone, don't try this at home without parents over-watching you kids!

Oh, and accuracy is always the same, its the scatter, rate of fire and AoE profile that matters against infantry and P4 have that superior.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 18:37 PMWingZero

No skilled Ostheer player builds all 4 tech buildings. In 1 v 1 or even in large games, a skilled player would either want a P4 + Doctrine support or Panther + Doctrine support. If 4 v 4 go on past 40 minutes mark and Ostheer/Sov sitting on fuel than both players would build T3/T4 in addition.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 11:20 AMJaigen

No they dont. its call in meta. get to tiger. get with the program.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 11:25 AMAustralian Magic

But in 4v4 meta is a way more flexible than in 1v1/2v2.
In 2v2, not to mention 1v1, you cant go for Panther and Howitzer or something like that.
In 4v4 you can do whatever you want to try without loosing the game.

Panther + doctrine support (without Tiger) is a great way to play efficiently in 4v4.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 11:08 AMAustralian Magic

I think he has in mind faster rate of fire, not speed

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 13:55 PMKatitof

And I was so proud of that post

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 11:20 AMJaigen

No they dont. its call in meta. get to tiger. get with the program.