I could just as easily make a thread called "p47 strafe shredding tanks" and get a similar response. Never used the ju87 but I can say the p47 is insanely devastating. Its an iwin button vs axis late game. It has a huge radius (tried moving two screens away, still hit me) and loiters for an eternity now. KTs and Tiger aces are toast in a few seconds. At least the ju87 doesn't outright kill heavy tanks. Along with blobs of paratroopers, this commander is cheese with wings. And there's two planes! TWO! That's what I don't get.
If ju87 gets nerfed p47 needs to be as well. I prefer toning both of them down for a cost reduction.
JU-87 Strafe shredding tanks.
11 Nov 2014, 20:14 PM
#121
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11 Nov 2014, 20:16 PM
#122
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How about no? It still arrives 3x slower than P-47's or IL-2's. It's fine as it is considering it can only kill Allied medium tanks that are neglected or ignored in placement.
Erm... no it doesnt.
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11 Nov 2014, 20:41 PM
#123
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
How about no? It still arrives 3x slower than P-47's or IL-2's. It's fine as it is considering it can only kill Allied medium tanks that are neglected or ignored in placement.
If by "arrives 3x slower" you meant "exactly at the same time" then you are right.
Also, IL-2 doesn't wipe any infantry anymore unless its low on hp and it does nothing to vehicles.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Nov 2014, 20:42 PM
#124
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stuka strafe can actually penetrate all tanks, it can even take 50% of ISU health
11 Nov 2014, 21:12 PM
#125
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Schrage musik? I would love to see it shoot things below it.
Unless I am mistaken, Schrage music pointed upwards - into the soft, unseeing underbelly...
12 Nov 2014, 03:45 AM
#126
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You'd be correct
I think he is talking about the HE-177 not the DO-217.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_177#Experimental_weapon_loads
I think he is talking about the HE-177 not the DO-217.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_177#Experimental_weapon_loads
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PS: The Italian Army fought with courage and skill
12 Nov 2014, 04:03 AM
#127
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I know. It's just the guy said DO-217 which had the 4x 20mm MG151 pointed upwards (quad cannons), hence, the tongue smiley( I really don't know what to call it).
Unless I am mistaken, Schrage music pointed upwards - into the soft, unseeing underbelly...
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12 Nov 2014, 04:57 AM
#128
Posts: 322
It's a 200 mu airstrike, Its pretty expensive like the p47.
It a at loitering AT air support, If its too good vs infantry make it target tanks only.
If it dose end up getting nerfed (I think its fine tbh if anything increase cost to 230) Don't touch the CAS one it's finally good and can be dodged by moving the tank.
Or just bring IL-2 up to its level, nothing wrong with that.
It a at loitering AT air support, If its too good vs infantry make it target tanks only.
If it dose end up getting nerfed (I think its fine tbh if anything increase cost to 230) Don't touch the CAS one it's finally good and can be dodged by moving the tank.
Or just bring IL-2 up to its level, nothing wrong with that.
12 Nov 2014, 07:22 AM
#129
Posts: 1158
Well, I just had this used on me and man is it cheap! My Jackson took 1 hit from KT and then the stuka instantly destroyed it, while the Jackson was on the reverse. The p47 is more expensive, dodgeable, and delivers the damage slower over time. This ability needs an adjustment. I'm not against it doing it's job, but this level of accuracy and damage is beyond the p47. If we are ok with this, that's fine, but the p47 needs to meet or exceed this accuracy and damage, considering higher costs. When I launch a p47 attack, I expect some damage will be done, but mostly I want to cause confusion and drown out the other players sounds. That I seem to be able to count on. If I could count on every rocket landing on the armor target, things would be so much easier. The rockets will miss even stationary targets. So, there is a large performance divide between these attacks now. Here is the replay of me getting wtfpwned and ironically a mega fail p47 strike that barely did anything in a a battle between 2 jacksons and 2 panzerIV (hint: Jacksons lost 
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29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
12 Nov 2014, 07:47 AM
#130
Posts: 935
I dont mind to nerf the J87 but do it the same with P47 - so they would be absolutly usless. So Ostheer could build tanks again.
12 Nov 2014, 08:14 AM
#131
Posts: 322
Well, I just had this used on me and man is it cheap! My Jackson took 1 hit from KT and then the stuka instantly destroyed it, while the Jackson was on the reverse. The p47 is more expensive, dodgeable, and delivers the damage slower over time. This ability needs an adjustment. I'm not against it doing it's job, but this level of accuracy and damage is beyond the p47. If we are ok with this, that's fine, but the p47 needs to meet or exceed this accuracy and damage, considering higher costs. When I launch a p47 attack, I expect some damage will be done, but mostly I want to cause confusion and drown out the other players sounds. That I seem to be able to count on. If I could count on every rocket landing on the armor target, things would be so much easier. The rockets will miss even stationary targets. So, there is a large performance divide between these attacks now. Here is the replay of me getting wtfpwned and ironically a mega fail p47 strike that barely did anything in a a battle between 2 jacksons and 2 panzerIV (hint: Jacksons lost
So to sum up that first sentence:
"One of the strongest tanks in the game 50% damaged my tank, one of the most squishy tanks in the game and then a >>AT STRAFE<< finished off my low tank"
12 Nov 2014, 08:16 AM
#133
Posts: 503
Well, I just had this used on me and man is it cheap! My Jackson took 1 hit from KT and then the stuka instantly destroyed it, while the Jackson was on the reverse. The p47 is more expensive, dodgeable, and delivers the damage slower over time. This ability needs an adjustment. I'm not against it doing it's job, but this level of accuracy and damage is beyond the p47. If we are ok with this, that's fine, but the p47 needs to meet or exceed this accuracy and damage, considering higher costs. When I launch a p47 attack, I expect some damage will be done, but mostly I want to cause confusion and drown out the other players sounds. That I seem to be able to count on. If I could count on every rocket landing on the armor target, things would be so much easier. The rockets will miss even stationary targets. So, there is a large performance divide between these attacks now. Here is the replay of me getting wtfpwned and ironically a mega fail p47 strike that barely did anything in a a battle between 2 jacksons and 2 panzerIV (hint: Jacksons lost
so after getting shot at by the heaviest tank the axis got in coh2 you suspect it to survive an attack with a 200 munitions ability? in my humble opinion an ability that wasnt able to kill a jackson that was shot by an KT is not worth bothering with at all (at a cost of 200 ammo that is)
i havent seen it being used that often though
12 Nov 2014, 08:43 AM
#134
Posts: 1158
The issue is not that I lost my jackson. The issue is the difference between the plane attacks. We have a 200mu non-dodgeable attack and a 240mu dodgeable attack. Something is wrong.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
12 Nov 2014, 08:47 AM
#135
Posts: 935
nerf the J87 but do it the same with P47 - so they would be absolutly usless. So Ostheer could build tanks again.
12 Nov 2014, 09:33 AM
#136
2 Posts: 1108
The issue is not that I lost my jackson. The issue is the difference between the plane attacks. We have a 200mu non-dodgeable attack and a 240mu dodgeable attack. Something is wrong.
reverse and get out of the area. Yes it is dodgeable.
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12 Nov 2014, 10:13 AM
#137
Posts: 49
The problem are not J87 and P47 anti tank straffes. The problem is really US not having proper counter for German late game heavies.
Imagine every time I play US I go airborn because, I know that in the late game the only thing that can save me if I fucked up during the game is the P47.
That is the problem, J87 and P47 are ok. But Ostheer will survive if they do not choose J87 commandeer, while in other hand P47 is only solution that reliable against Axis Heavies
Imagine every time I play US I go airborn because, I know that in the late game the only thing that can save me if I fucked up during the game is the P47.
That is the problem, J87 and P47 are ok. But Ostheer will survive if they do not choose J87 commandeer, while in other hand P47 is only solution that reliable against Axis Heavies
12 Nov 2014, 10:16 AM
#138
Posts: 1740
IMO I think Jacksons are a pretty good option against the axis late game.
They do hell of a damage and penetrate quite often. In addition they have a huge range. It's like a better and stronger Puma.
Without this it would just be the same boring and repetive gameplay in all 4 factions.
Every Lategame would consinst of spamming those tanks:
Tiger, King Tiger/Jagdtiger, IS2/ISU, *Insert US heavy here*...
They do hell of a damage and penetrate quite often. In addition they have a huge range. It's like a better and stronger Puma.
Without this it would just be the same boring and repetive gameplay in all 4 factions.
Every Lategame would consinst of spamming those tanks:
Tiger, King Tiger/Jagdtiger, IS2/ISU, *Insert US heavy here*...
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
12 Nov 2014, 15:54 PM
#139
Posts: 420
reverse and get out of the area. Yes it is dodgeable.
Not really, played a 2v2 yesterday (as axis) my mate used the Ju87 on a reversing Jackson. The Jackson iirc had full health, although reversing, the Jackson got hit by the Ju87 and ended up with 10% HP remaining and an enigne critical.
So ya, after seeing this ability in action for a while, i agree it needs either a dmg reduction or accuracy nerf.
I will simply lol at anyone expecting such a change to a 2 year old general use infantry.
Equally possible are pershing for USF, IS-3 for soviets or ober nerf for OKW.
12 Nov 2014, 16:54 PM
#140
Posts: 1484
JU-87 and P-47s are fine. Stop complaining about an ability that cost munitions for extra damage on tanks. Either disengage the enemy when the air strike occurs or eat a Tiger + Jackson shot to the face with combined arms from the air force.
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