Heavy tanks - easy use

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 01:56 AMThoseDeafMutes

I believe the solution relic is going to implement is to nerf call-ins generally - increase the fuel cost moderately, then apply a discount for tiering. So a Tiger might now be 270 fuel, with -20 fuel for each of the following buildings you constructed:

T3
T4

A similar system will probably be in place for the other factions. This will make holding out without building tiers less economically viable. But still possible.

Heavies are call-ins, generally. The only one that isn't that I can think of is the KT, but that requires tiering anyway by definition.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2014, 01:56 AMThoseDeafMutes

I believe the solution relic is going to implement is to nerf call-ins generally - increase the fuel cost moderately, then apply a discount for tiering. So a Tiger might now be 270 fuel, with -20 fuel for each of the following buildings you constructed:

T3
T4

A similar system will probably be in place for the other factions. This will make holding out without building tiers less economically viable. But still possible.

Heavies are call-ins, generally. The only one that isn't that I can think of is the KT, but that requires tiering anyway by definition.

Jump back to quoted post29 Sep 2014, 20:54 PMKreatiir

Let me be clear about one thing, heavies are not good as they are in their current state. At least that is my opinion.
And I'm not only talking about heavies itself, but also about how they are being called in, their impact on the game, ...

Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2014, 09:37 AMand

Heavy tanks are a no-brainer.

Their main advantage, as I see it, is that they can go in, take out a tank or two, and back out with 10% hp and get repaired to full, for free.

This mechanic is the main reason why the US late game is bad: they lack heavy tanks, and heavy tanks are simply too hard to counter properly. It's the same reason why team games are heavily swayed towards Axis (though Soviet does have some heavy tanks as well).

Simply making heavy call-ins require tech buildings won't fix the problem. Basically, it can only be fixed with a larger overhaul of unit stats and costs.

My opinion is that heavy tanks should not have such a huge HP advantage over medium tanks. They can take a huge amount of penetrating shots, and it's simply ridiculous. The main advantage of heavy tanks should be penetration/range and armor. By making heavy tanks closer to medium tanks in performance, they could be made cheaper. I think this change would be nice, as I also dislike the fact that you almost can't afford to field any other vehicles if you get a heavy tank. It makes the gameplay way too dumb. Finally, infantry soft counters such as AT guns would also become more viable in the late game.

Any thoughts on this? The above could also be accompanied with adding a cost to repairs (but might not be necessary).

(PS: limiting the amount of tanks you can get is a pretty stale fix and does not change the origin of why heavy tanks are frustrating to play against.)

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2014, 22:13 PMMr. Someguy

The B-17 was a heavy bomber, not a fighter bomber. B-17's were used to target factories, rail depots, shipyards, and cities.

That aside, the US did make heavy use of rapid artillery and fighter-bombers to destroy a significant portion of the armour they faced, which is not represented in CoH2 at all, save for the Rocket Strafe.