Call-in Tanks
1 Jul 2014, 05:23 AM
#1
Posts: 15
What happend to needing Tier buildings? More than ever the call in tanks need to be constrained, for example, OKW have no way to deal with mass T34-85 call in.
1 Jul 2014, 05:34 AM
#2
Posts: 2053
Oh no! Its not like OKW can make pumas, jagdpanzers, panthers, puppchens and the like by 10 CP!
1 Jul 2014, 05:51 AM
#3
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Posts: 871
Oh no! Its not like OKW can make pumas, jagdpanzers, panthers, puppchens and the like by 10 CP!
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1 Jul 2014, 05:57 AM
#4
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Oh no! Its not like OKW can make pumas, jagdpanzers, panthers, puppchens and the like by 10 CP!
And you can have jagdpanzer before any other tank hits the field in equal game.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
1 Jul 2014, 06:30 AM
#5
Posts: 15
Oh yeah, i forgot totally about all those units, my bad. A Jagdpanzer before any other tank, that sounds effective, i can kill infantry after 200 shots.
1 Jul 2014, 06:34 AM
#6
10 Posts: 871
Oh yeah, i forgot totally about all those units, my bad. A Jagdpanzer before any other tank, that sounds effective, i can kill infantry after 200 shots.
It's not meant to kill infantry, its meant to kill those things you are complaining about (T-34/85's)
1 Jul 2014, 06:35 AM
#7
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Oh yeah, i forgot totally about all those units, my bad. A Jagdpanzer before any other tank, that sounds effective, i can kill infantry after 200 shots.
So you want a tank who would kill infantry and tanks ? This is pretty rare combination. I can only offer you Elite Armored Doctrine with it's Panzer IV Ausf J. Battle Group.
1 Jul 2014, 08:19 AM
#8
Posts: 987
So you want a tank who would kill infantry and tanks ? This is pretty rare combination. I can only offer you Elite Armored Doctrine with it's Panzer IV Ausf J. Battle Group.
Or ISU, still the god of noobwar.
The issue I think is having no strong non-fuel at guns. Puppchen is pretty good but it's not gonna stand up to t34 very well with its range and power. So you'll need 3 to beat the t34s (or 2+Jagdpanzer, which means you will have no panther for another 15 minutes). That leaves you very vulnerable to infantry and with no MG42 to suppress, it can all go bad very quickly.
So, in short:
Without MG, it's not feasible to build multiple pueppchens. Without multiple pueppchens, you cannot handle dual t34-85.
Although I have to agree that the Jagdpanzer is very very nice AT.
Let's keep it constructive
1 Jul 2014, 08:45 AM
#9
Posts: 15
It's not meant to kill infantry, its meant to kill those things you are complaining about (T-34/85's)
What i meant is, why would u want to get it before any other tank.
1 Jul 2014, 10:00 AM
#10
Posts: 987
The point he's making is it's too difficult for OKW to field anough turretted tanks / good AT to defend against 4 T-34/85.
A flanked Jagd is a dead Jagd and 2 of them are gonna be easily flankable by the fast t34s when they are out in numbers. The small cramped maps make flanks quite easy / negate the range advantage of jagds.
In that situation, you'd kill 1 t34 then the other three would rinse the Jagd.
Panth is about 230 equivalent fuel for OKW. You're not gonna field 2 of those quick enough to handle the t34s. Or a panth and a Jagd.
I think he has a point. Call-ins should probably be restricted to 1.
A flanked Jagd is a dead Jagd and 2 of them are gonna be easily flankable by the fast t34s when they are out in numbers. The small cramped maps make flanks quite easy / negate the range advantage of jagds.
In that situation, you'd kill 1 t34 then the other three would rinse the Jagd.
Panth is about 230 equivalent fuel for OKW. You're not gonna field 2 of those quick enough to handle the t34s. Or a panth and a Jagd.
I think he has a point. Call-ins should probably be restricted to 1.
Let's keep it constructive
1 Jul 2014, 21:34 PM
#11
Posts: 503
Permanently BannedFor me the double call in T34-85 is the most op thing in the game!
What you will doo with drunks volks, blind rak43, maybe you get 1 panther, that dont deal versus 2 of then, and half of the times the enemy get a KV or other tank, with more that 2 T85, gg!
Pumas? LOL! They make puff puff and have paper armor!
You can win versus it, but with great losts, and like a no error or gg, when the sov's can lost this 2 tanks and stay in the game...
Strange thing: if the germans get a double medium tank call in in the game, this forum will be overheat, but the sov's get this cheat a months ago and no problem!?
What you will doo with drunks volks, blind rak43, maybe you get 1 panther, that dont deal versus 2 of then, and half of the times the enemy get a KV or other tank, with more that 2 T85, gg!
Pumas? LOL! They make puff puff and have paper armor!
You can win versus it, but with great losts, and like a no error or gg, when the sov's can lost this 2 tanks and stay in the game...
Strange thing: if the germans get a double medium tank call in in the game, this forum will be overheat, but the sov's get this cheat a months ago and no problem!?
1 Jul 2014, 21:41 PM
#12
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i remember, when you could upgrade t34's with 85mm.
1 Jul 2014, 21:44 PM
#13
Posts: 1384
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Pumas? LOL! They make puff puff and have paper armor!
They're competitive with Shermans/t34-75, they got a pretty decent gun on them and their front armour is decent.
1 Jul 2014, 22:09 PM
#14
Posts: 1130
Oh no! Its not like OKW can make pumas, jagdpanzers, panthers, puppchens and the like by 10 CP!
That the counters exist is not the issue. its the rather large fuel advantage call in provides. you dont need to tech up and safe yourself a good 100 fuel so you can pump out more tanks then your opponent. in 1vs1 this is very prominent.
I would say every faction should be required to tech to gain access to their call in tanks. this makes non call in doctrines a lot more appealing.
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2 Jul 2014, 01:09 AM
#15
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I would say that 10CP is quite a number to hold for T34-85s. It´s not like you can´t hold 1-2paks and 2 T3 tanks as OH or something as OBK (i don´t own it).
Theres almost no difference between holding for double T3485 rather than waiting 11CP for a Tiger.
Since the adjustment of AoE profiles, i´m less worried about any of them.
Maybe OKW lacks medium tanks to capitalize the lack of teching, but you still have Luchs and AA HT to do so.
Theres almost no difference between holding for double T3485 rather than waiting 11CP for a Tiger.
Since the adjustment of AoE profiles, i´m less worried about any of them.
Maybe OKW lacks medium tanks to capitalize the lack of teching, but you still have Luchs and AA HT to do so.
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2 Jul 2014, 01:24 AM
#16
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I would say that 10CP is quite a number to hold for T34-85s. It´s not like you can´t hold 1-2paks and 2 T3 tanks as OH or something as OBK (i don´t own it).
Theres almost no difference between holding for double T3485 rather than waiting 11CP for a Tiger.
Since the adjustment of AoE profiles, i´m less worried about any of them.
Maybe OKW lacks medium tanks to capitalize the lack of teching, but you still have Luchs and AA HT to do so.
Luchs is bad...really really bad. Its like a flacid T70. The Flaktrack is so much better and comes in an early Tier and is cheaper. Thats too bad I really was looking forward to the Luchs too.
Puppchens in buildings have no problem with T34/85s. Errr duh Guards oh look I wonder what he is doing? Shrek Shrek Shreks Puppchen Puppchen.
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
2 Jul 2014, 01:42 AM
#17
Posts: 184
OKW really have a hard time with T34-85's, soo many games i have had the upper hand, then suddenly lose everything to these tanks.
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2 Jul 2014, 01:53 AM
#18
Posts: 4928
Even from a theory-crafting point of view I have difficulty imagining how you'd deal with sudden T-34/85's. They hurt Ostheer, but Ostheer is a solid Army. Funny enough, "they bend, but don't break" fits them pretty well, despite being the faction concept of US Forces. The OKW on the other hand are limited to an army of niche specialists, facing down the overall best medium tank in the game. The OKW barely bend at all before they snap in half and it's over.
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3 Jul 2014, 02:18 AM
#19
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I always played as Ostheer army for a long time. In general, when I have only one Pz IV(cost about 300 fuel totaly), the red army's 2 T34-85s will come in just later(cost about 320 fuel I think), sudden powerful medium tanks with strong AI and AT fire just broken the balance, even relic have adjust T34/85s call-in CP to 10,it still was herrible. As OST, you can't go to T4 to counter the T3485s,cuz panther is too expensive now, you need about 400+ fuel to build only one panther, while the call-in T34-85s only need 320fuel.
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3 Jul 2014, 02:25 AM
#20
Posts: 2779
Mass T34-85 call in?
lol, last time my OKW Panther can solo holding 5 T-34 85, I dunno what the hell are you talking about.
T-34 85 can't penetrate panther glacis plate FFS, and vetted Rakentanwerfer rape them very hard, harder than Pak40.
The only Allies tank can fuck up OKW is buffed IS2. USF tanks are trash, at least in the current stat.
lol, last time my OKW Panther can solo holding 5 T-34 85, I dunno what the hell are you talking about.
T-34 85 can't penetrate panther glacis plate FFS, and vetted Rakentanwerfer rape them very hard, harder than Pak40.
The only Allies tank can fuck up OKW is buffed IS2. USF tanks are trash, at least in the current stat.
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