ISU-152

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:22 PMChegwin

1. Build arty - well let's start with an old favorite, if it's a way for soviets to deal with Elefant it shouldnt be a problem for Germans to kill ISU with theirs
2. Build Elefant - well this one is obvious, no soviet vehicle can counter Elefant
3. Build halftrack and shreks - put shreks into a halftrack, go at the rear of ISU, unload and kill ISU (halftrack is not meant to survive, its just a transport and a way to block ISU retreat)
4. Use smoke bombs/barrage + some tank - use it for flanking?
5. Pak 43 - well since it still shoots trough objects, it can engage ISU with no risk, it got buffed this patch also

So many options what to choose! But if soviets need to deal with Elefant its pretty much arty and call ins, yup

Anyways did ISU became problem in 1vs1? is it really an obstacle all you bright minds cannot surpass ?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:48 PMvan Voort

Pre-patch this unit was considered a joke, and as such rarely seen

Yes/No?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:48 PMvan Voort

It has been buffed in the latest patch

Yes/No?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:48 PMvan Voort

As a result people are playing it more

Yes/No?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:48 PMvan Voort

Therefore people playing Germans will be playing against a buffed unit they are not used to seeing

Yes/No?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:48 PMvan Voort

The previous method for "flanking" no longer works (warp blitz up to it and get behind it)

Yes/No?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:48 PMvan Voort

This is not anything that the Soviets did not have to deal with before in the Elephant, but is is new for the Germans

Yes/No?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 21:48 PMvan Voort

Therefore there needs to be a process of adjustment

Yes/No?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 09:19 AMKyleAkira

Isu 152 should have a switch between HE rounds and High penetration rounds. And a timer for changing it.

It can't be an ANTI ALL unit.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 05:47 AMsluzbenik

If you're going to buff its health and rear armor, it can't be this good at AT and AI. It feels way too strong in every respect. I think it needs less penetration, a tad less health, but keep more of the rear armor so one flank doesn't mean GG. If it's going to be this good at anti-inf, it should perhaps be more likely to do some kind of critical to tanks that obliterates the crew for a bit rather than wrecking the tank's health (but you could reman or have it automatically remanned after some period, as that's in keeping with what it did to tanks in real life). I think an ISU-152 should fall to a PZIV/Tiger flank given the costs, but right now with a T34 in support, or basically any other AT unit, that's not going to happen with even a modicum of micro, especially if you use mark target.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 15:48 PMKatitof

You're going in circles here chasing your own tail.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
People complained about elephant since forever and it was buffed even harder.
Now ISU is on its level of impact and it suddenly is a problem?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 20:23 PMvan Voort

So if I understand correctly:

The unit that next to nobody built before because it was basically considered a way to throw the game is now good so it gets used

And nobody knows how to play against it because they've never seen it before

So it must be OP



Riiiight

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 05:02 AMDocRockwell

Patch has been out for what, 3 days?

If you're convinced its unstoppable without the slightest attempt at trying to find working tactics, then switch to Soviets, enjoy an invincible win streak until its patched and enjoy the free ride.

If said win streak doesn't materialize, please do report back.

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 05:54 AMThoseDeafMutes

There's no need to be a smartass. This goes for 60% of the people in this thread actually.

No unit is unstoppable, even drastically overpowered ones. Nothing you said couldn't also be said about any other previously imbalanced unit. In fact the overwhelming reactionary tendencies anytime a new unit becomes OP are getting very frustrating. As far as I'm concerned making a "L2P" shitpost should be bannable.

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 08:47 AMDocRockwell

Actually you're wrong. Tiger Ace was truly unstoppable because it simply wasn't possible to field enough fire power when it hit the field both early and free of cost. Assault grens also were unstoppable for similar reasons. Crying about 'shitposts' in a post that is, in and of itself shit, is kind of ironic. L2P (the P is for Post, in this case).

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 08:47 AMDocRockwell

Actually you're wrong. Tiger Ace was truly unstoppable because it simply wasn't possible to field enough fire power when it hit the field both early and free of cost. Assault grens also were unstoppable for similar reasons. Crying about 'shitposts' in a post that is, in and of itself shit, is kind of ironic. L2P (the P is for Post, in this case).

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 09:36 AMAbdul

I think many people are underestimating the change to the ISU152, here is a reminder:

old /new
hitpoints 960 /1040 improve
Armor f 200 /310 improve
Armor r 100 /155 improve

cost mp 720 /760
cost fu 260 /same

damage 240 /same
penetration 150 /230 improve
reload 10 /9-11
scatter 13.2 /8.7 improve

As you can see the ISU152 improved in most areas including its scatter which makes it better against infantry.