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Command Point Pacing
All heavy vehicle dispatches have had their command point cost increased by 1 to better align them with the pacing and tech progression changes and goals. Saving for a heavy vehicle should remain a viable strategy, the goal is to increase the risk of such a strategy to better reflect its potential value if pulled off successfully.
Tiger command point cost from 10 to 11
Tiger Ace command point cost from 14 to 15
Elefant command point cost from 11 to 12
IS-2 command point cost from 10 to 11
ISU-152 command point cost from 11 to 12
KV-2 command point cost from 11 to 12
StuG III E command point cost from 5 to 6
Units and Abilities
A number of iterations were made to weapon profiles and abilities to improve early game infantry combat.

Osttruppen
The low accuracy on the Osttruppen rifle led to their weapon output feeling very inconsistent. This was addressed by increasing their accuracy while reducing the damage done per shot. Additional modifications were made to improve the viability of the Osttruppen at all stages of the game, such as increasing their capture rate to 1. Osttruppen will remain slightly combat inefficient relative to Grenadiers.
Cover bonus from 1.75x accuracy to 2x accuracy
Accuracy from 0.21/0.2/0.19 to 0.45/0.4/.35
Damage from 16 to 8
Cooldown from 0.5-1 to 0.75-1.25
Cooldown near modifier from 0 to 0.125
Wind down from 1.625 to 1.3
Moving cooldown from 2 to 1.5
Capture rate from 0.5 to 1

Grenadier
The LMG42 had its weapon profile adjusted so that it performs stronger at long range and weaker at short range. In its previous form, it made assaults by short range units very difficult to execute due to its extreme close range damage output. This further strengthens the long range orientation of the LMG42 and the counterplay between itself and short range weaponry.
LMG42 accuracy from 0.47/0.44/0.41 to 0.56/0.44/.038
LMG42 Aim time multiplier from 0.5/0.75/1 to 0.75/0.875/1
LMG42 Fire aim time from 0.25-0.625 to 0.25-0.5
LMG42 Post firing aim time from 0.5 to 0.25
LMG42 Ready aim time from 1.25-2 to 0..625-1
LMG42 Burst duration multiplier from 3/2/1 to 0.75/1.25/1.5
LMG42 Burst length from 0.5-0.75 to 0.5-1
LMG42 range distance mid from 20 to 28
LMG42 Rate of fire multiplier from 1/0.875/0.9375 to 1/1.125/1.25
LMG42 Cooldown duration multiplier from 0.5/0.675/0.85 to 0.75/0.875/1
LMG42 Reload frequency from 4 to 6

This adjusts the G43 to more closely function as a carbine type weapon profile. It reduces the Grenadier long range damage output while increasing mid to short range DPS. Additionally, this weapon now performs better on the move, making it ideal for tactical flanks.
G43 accuracy from 0.55/0.5/0.45 to 0.55/0.42/0.37
G43 no longer gains a bonus accuracy vs. light, heavy, and garrison cover
G43 Moving accuracy from 0.6 to 0.8
G43 Moving cooldown from 2 to 0.5
G43 Range distance near from 0 to 6
G43 Range distance mid from 25 to 18
G43 upgrade cost from 60 MU to 45 MU

Rifle-grenade cost increased to better align it with similar grenades, such as the RGD-42 which cost 30 munitions. Although the rifle-grenade has a greater range than the RGD-42, its explosive radius is smaller and less lethal.
Rifle-grenade munition cost from 25 to 30

These changes slightly reduce the efficiency of the Grenadier squad. The intent is to reduce Grenadier blobbing and encourage the use of combined arms.
Population from 6 to 7
Grenadiers can now only upgrade to either the LMG42 or G43, not both.

Panzer Grenadier
This adjusts the G43 to more closely function as a carbine type weapon profile. It increases the Panzer Grenadier long range damage output while decreasing its mid to short range DPS. Additionally, this weapon now performs better on the moving, making it ideal for tactical flanks.
G43 Accuracy from 0.65/0.6/0.55 to 0.65/0.52/0.47
G43 no longer gains a bonus accuracy vs. light, heavy, and garrison cover
G43 Moving accuracy from 0.6 to 0.8
G43 Moving cooldown from 2 to 0.5
G43 Range distance near from 0 to 6
G43 Range distance mid from 25 to 18

The Panzer Grenadier squad over performed for its cost. These two changes lower its performance to better reflect its cost to value.
Armor from 1.2 to 1
MP44 accuracy from 0.58/0.45/0.4 to 0.56/0.45/0.4

Pioneer
These changes reduced the combat potency of Pioneers to better reflect their intended role as a utility unit. The Pioneer squad still remains combat viable, but do so at a premium cost.
Bonus accuracy from 1.2 to 1.15
Accuracy from 0.45/0.2/0.1 to 0.35/0.2/0.1

Combat Engineer
Combat Engineers were under performing for cost; similar to the Pioneer changes above they will perform at a slight cost premium to reflect their role as a utility unit.
Manpower cost from 190 to 170
Build time from 19 to 17

Conscript
This change helps resolve the long range damage disparity between Grenadiers and Conscript. As a result, Conscripts can now engage Grenadiers on more equal footing.
Mosin Nagant accuracy from 0.45/0.35/0.25 to 0.45/0.39/0.30
Moving accuracy from 0.4 to 0.5

This change better aligns the risk vs. reward of using assault type weapons. More damage will be inflicted on approach to counter the received damage.
PPSH moving accuracy from 0.5 to 0.8

Partisans and Irregulars
This maintains consistency in the functionality of the Partisan LMG42 and DP-28 relative to the Grenadier LMG42 and Guard Riflemen DP-28 upgrade. It also better defines the units long range role.
LMG42 weapon profile adjusted to be consistent with changes to Grenadier LMG42
DP-28 weapon profile adjusted to function similar to the LMG42

This change better aligns the risk vs. reward of using assault type weapons. More damage will be inflicted on approach to counter balance received damage.
PPSH moving accuracy from 0.375 to 0.6

With the LMG profile adjustments, Irregulars are worth slightly more.
Irregulars cost from 180 to 190
Reinforcement time from 2.25 to 2.375

Guard Riflemen
Guard Riflemen were underperforming for their cost. The range of the PTRS was also inconsistent with other hand held AT weaponry such as the Panzerschreck â which is currently set to 35. This avoids scenarios were skilled players could leverage this range to damage vehicles without taking reciprocating fire. The Mosin Nagant also saw an increase to its long range damage output to reduce the disparity between the Mosin and the Kar 98.
Manpower cost from 360 to 330
Population from 9 to 8
DP-28 rescaled to use the new LMG42 weapon profile
DP-28 upgrade cost from 100 MU to 75 MU
Guard Mosin Nagant accuracy from 0.7/0.55/0.45 to 0.65/0.58/0.46
Guard Mosin Nagant Moving accuracy from 0.6 to 0.75
Guard Mosin Nagant Moving cooldown from 1.25 to 0.5
PTRS range from 45 to 40

Blitzkrieg
Blitzkrieg enabled German armor to escape potentially deadly situation at a fairly low cost. This placed German armor in a very advantageous position relative to Soviet armor, as they could take greater risk while sustaining lower casualties on average. Other issues, such as awkward movement behavior or unrealistic accuracy, made the ability feel a bit cheap and magical. This change synergizes well with the recent modifications to acceleration, as vehicles will be far more responsive while the ability is active.
Now provides 1.6x acceleration
Received accuracy modifier from 0.5 to 0.75
Speed and accuracy modifier removed
Munition cost from 40 to 30

Overdrive
The reduction in max speed helps prevent awkward movement behavior on the M3 and M5.
Now provides 1.6x acceleration
Received accuracy modifier from 0.5 to 0.75
Cost from 0 MU to 10 MU

Ram
Currently, ram is being used as a crowd control measure to disable other vehicles. The intent isnât for a full health T34 to ram other vehicles; instead, ram should be used when the T34 is near death to highlight its usage as a last resort type ability.
No longer causes instant main gun destroyed critical
Now has a chance to cause one of the follow criticals to occur: light engine damage, heavy engine damage, immobilization, or main gun destroyed. The chance is weighed such that light engine damage has the highest occurrence where main gun destroyed has the lowest.

Marked Vehicle
These changes prevent an issue where units could be destroyed in 1 or 2 hits from multiple marked targets on the enemy vehicle applying simultaneously. It also reduces the impact of the ability as we felt it provided too great an advantage to Soviet armor in the previous state.
No longer stacks multiple times
Reduced bonus damage modifier from 50% to 35%

Support Team Modifications
A number of modifications were made to support weapons designed to increase their utility on the battle field. For example, heavy machine guns were given increased penetration enabling them to act as a soft counter to light vehicles.

Weapon Teams
Previously, weapon teams would receive +25% more damage from all sources. This modifier has been replaced with a +25% received accuracy value. Tank fire and grenades will be less effective vs. weapon teams as a result; small arms fire remains relatively unchanged.
AOE Profiles
Very similar to the changes made to grenade AOE profiles. Long and mid-range AOE no longer has a chance to miss its target, the weapon profile damage has been averaged out to compensate. Slight adjustments to AOE radius or distance values were made on a number of support teams to better align them with their intended performance.
105mm Howitzer
These changes reduce the viability of artillery saturation on the opposing playerâs base. Additionally, howitzers should feel more organic with the changes to reload.
Reload time from 2.75 to 2.25-2.75
Shots fired per barrage from 12 to 6
Crew size from 3 to 4

152mm Howitzer
These changes reduce the viability of artillery saturation on the opposing playerâs base. Additionally, howitzers should feel more organic with the changes to reload.
Shots fired per barrage from 8 to 4
Reload time from 3 to 2.8-3.2
Barrage recharge time from 120s to 90s
Crew size from 3 to 4

PAK 40
Medium and heavy vehicle potency has been increased with this update, these changes help offset this increased potency by improving the performance and reliability of AT guns.
Accuracy from 0.055/0.0425/0.03 to 0.06/0.05/.04
Reload time from 2.9 to 2.7-3.1
Penetration from 170 to 190

PAK 43
Medium and heavy vehicle potency has been increased with this update, these changes help offset this increased potency by improving the performance and reliability of AT guns.
Accuracy from 0.055/0.0425/0.03 to 0.06/0.05/.04
Reload time from 3.65 to 3.5-3.8
Penetration from 400 to 340
Crew size from 3 to 4
Population from 21 to 18
Now has hold fire

ZIS 76mm Field Gun
Medium and heavy vehicle potency has been increased with this update, these changes help offset this increased potency by improving the performance and reliability of AT guns. The damage output of the ZIS Field Gun barrage will now feel more consistent as a result of the new AOE profiles.
Accuracy from 0.055/0.0425/0.03 to 0.06/0.05/.04
Penetration from 170 to 180

B4 203mm Howitzer
Adjusted performance of B4 to be more in line with the ISU-152.
Direct fire penetration from 1000 to 300
Direct fire is now on a shared recharge timer with barrage and precision strike
Recharge timer on barrage from 55 to 60

MG42
HMG teams now act as a soft counter to light vehicles. This diversified the tactics available to players when encountering heavy use of light vehicles in the early game.
Penetration from 1/1/1 to 2.2/1.8/1.4

53K 45mm AT Gun
Medium and heavy vehicle potency has been increased with this update, these changes help offset this increased potency by improving the performance and reliability of AT guns.
Accuracy from 0.03/0.0425/0.055 to 0.04/0.05/0.06
Reload time from 2.625 to 2.5-2.75

DSHK HMG
HMG teams now act as a soft counter to light vehicles. This diversified the tactics available to players when encountering heavy use of light vehicles in the early game. Refactored the performance of the Dshk HMG and resulting cost to make it easier to field.
Penetration from 1/1/1 to 2.5/2.0/1.5
Armor piercing rounds now provides 3x penetration rather than an additional +9 penetration at all ranges
Properly received the +25% received accuracy like all other team weapons
Damage from 12 to 10
Manpower cost from 360 to 300

Maxim HMG
HMG teams now act as a soft counter to light vehicles. This diversified the tactics available to players when encountering heavy use of light vehicles in the early game.
Penetration from 1/1/1 to 1.6/1.4/1.2

Vehicle Top Gunner
Increased damage output of vehicle top gunners, previously the upgrade added little value to the unit. The cost has been increased to better account for the value of this upgrade.

German Mounted MG42
Munition cost from 30 to 50
Soviet Mounted Dshk
Munition cost from 30 to 60
Vehicle Modifications
A number of modifications were made to medium and heavy vehicles to better align the units relative to one another. German vehicle penetration tended to be fairly high, resulting in a devaluation of Soviet armor values. These changes also seek to solidify unit roles and remove any ineffective units from the game.

AOE Profiles
Very similar to the changes made to grenade AOE profiles. Long and mid-range AOE no longer has a chance to miss its target, the weapon profile damage has been averaged out to compensate. Slight adjustments to AOE radius or distance values were made on a number of vehicles to better align them with their intended performance.
Mobility
The goal was to better distinguish light, medium and heavy vehicles from one another. By increasing the applicable speed range, we can better define light vehicle mobility relative to heavier units. Vehicle acceleration has also been adjusted to accomplish this goal.
Increased max speed by 1.2, tuned rotation to ensure smooth pathing
Negative cover from 1.4x to 1.5x max speed; vehicles move faster on roads
Adjusted vehicle terrain performance based on type. For example, vehicles with tracks can move through heavy and light cover easier than wheeled vehicles.
Acceleration is now properly functioning within the game; previously, vehicles incorrectly used deceleration to define the rate at which they accelerated, resulting in near instant max speed.

Vehicle Penetration
Vehicle penetration is now based on distance to target. High velocity weapons have a lower drop off than low velocity. High explosive weapons do not drop off over distance.
Vehicle Criticals
Engine damage criticals will only occur on the front or rear armor of a vehicle depending on engine position. For example, a Panzer IV no longer receives an engine critical if hit from the front. However, this does not impact weapons like the AT grenade which force criticals. Main gun destroyed criticals function in a similar manner, a SU-85 can no longer gain a main gun destroyed from a rear penetrating shot.
Rear armor hits now display a kicker to indicate to the player that the enemy tank has been exposed; similar to Company of Heroes.
222 Scout Car
The armor reduction increases the vulnerability of the Scout Car to small arms fire, increasing the overall risk associated with its use vs. these targets. The fuel increase furthers the risk to the playerâs tech progression and overall use of this unit en masse.
Armor from 11 to 9
Manpower cost from 240 to 210
Fuel cost from 10 to 15

Panzer IV
The Panzer IV will continue to dominate the T34 in the anti-armor role but will perform worse versus infantry. That said, compared to the Panther, the Panzer IV does perform better vs. soft targets including infantry and light vehicles.
Armor from 160 to 180
Rear armor from 80 to 90
Reload from 5.75 to 5.3-5.7

Ostwind
Relative to the Panzer IV, the Ostwind performs extremely well vs. soft targets but is vulnerable to other medium vehicles. Relative to the T70, the Ostwind provides greater fire power at reduced mobility and increased durability. It also provides anti-air support.
Armor from 105 to 110
Rear armor from 52.5 to 55
Penetration from 35 to 40
Cooldown from 0.6 to 0.5-0.7
Distance scatter max from 2.15 to 2.9
Manpower from 320 to 280
Fuel from 115 to 100

StuG III G
The StuG III G fulfills the role of assault gun. These changes make it more effective vs. infantry and slightly worse versus medium and heavy vehicles. Relative to the T34, the StuG III G provides extremely high damage output but is fairly vulnerable to being flanked.
Armor from 160 to 140
Rear armor from 80 to 70
Penetration from 140 to 120
Health from 480 to 400
Reload time from 4 to 3.5-4.5
Distance scatter max from 6.5 to 4
Scatter angle from 7.5 to 5
Manpower from 280 to 230
Fuel from 95 to 80

StuG III E
The short barrel of the StuG III E makes it ideal vs. soft targets. An assault gun dedicated more towards the anti-infantry role relative to the StuG III G; these changes drastically improve its performance relative to cost.
Armor from 120 to 140
Rear armor from 35 to 70
Health from 320 to 400
Reload from 5.25 to 3.2-3.8
Manpower 160 to 200
Fuel from 55 to 75

Panther
The Panther provides the perfect combination of mobility and anti-tank capacity, making it the ideal counter to heavy armor. Its cutting edge suspension enables it to easily traverse even the roughest of terrain, enabling it to execute flanking maneuvers on unsuspecting armor.
Penetration from 170 to 240
Rear armor from 112.5 to 110
Reload from 6.45 to 5.8-6.7
Health from 960 to 800
Manpower from 520 to 490
Fuel from 145 to 175

Bummbar
Relative to the StuG III G, the Brummbar provides unparalleled infantry support and remains effective vs. medium vehicles.
Armor from 200 to 210
Rear armor from 87.5 to 105
Penetration from 75 to 120
Reload from 8.25 to 7.5-9
Distance scatter max from 1 to 4
Manpower from 560 to 470
Fuel from 140 to 160
Build time from 60 to 55

Panzerwerfer
The increased recharge timer offsets higher than desired artillery saturation.
Recharge time from 54 to 90

Tiger
Heavy armor saw an increase in performance to better highlight its tech placement. When a player transitions from light to medium armor, there is a very clear differentiation in the power of medium vehicles vs. light. This change better highlights the transition from medium to heavy while still retaining the role of medium vehicles in the late game. Lower rear armor maintains the value of flanking while increased combat potential better addresses the tech level of the vehicle. Additionally, the new AOE profile on the Tiger has significantly increased its anti-infantry performance.
Rear armor from 250 to 180
Penetration from 154 to 200
Reload from 5 to 4.7-5.3
Manpower from 720 to 640
Fuel from 200 to 230

Elefant
Heavy armor saw an increase in performance to better highlight its tech placement. When a player transitions from light to medium armor, there is a very clear differentiation in the power of medium vehicles vs. light. This change better highlights the transition from medium to heavy while still retaining the role of medium vehicles in the late game. Lower rear armor maintains the value of flanking while increased combat potential better addresses the tech level of the vehicle.
Penetration from 170 to 400
Scatter angle from 7.5 to 5
Reload from 8.55 to 8-9
Health from 1280 to 1040
Now has hold fire

M3A1 Scout Car
The intent was to increase the durability of the M3A1 to better balance the risk vs. reward that comes with the use of this unit. The added penetration on the top gunner will increase the performance of this unit vs. other lightly armored units, such as the 222 Scout Car or 251 Half-track. Additionally, we wanted to increase the impact of fielding light vehicles on the playerâs tech progression.
Penetration on front gunner from 1/1/1 to 3.5/2.5/1.5
Health from 180 to 200
Manpower cost from 230 to 190
Fuel cost from 5 to 10

M5 Half-track
Penetration was added to both the 50 cal and Quad mounted gunner to bring this units performance in line with changes to other heavy weapons (MG42, Maxim, etc).
Penetration on front gunner from 1/1/1 to 3.5/2.5/1.5
Quad penetration from 1/1/1 to 2.5/2.0/1.5

T70
The T70 saw a number of changes to bring it in line with other light vehicles. The new AOE profiles improve the damage output of the T70 vs. infantry. Additionally, its mobility was improved to better enable its recon role and offensive capacities. This unit functions as a very effective hit and run unit or on the flank.
Armor from 55 to 70
Manpower from 160 to 200
Reload from 2.15 to 1.8-2.2
Fuel from 55 to 70

T34-76
The goal was to improve the anti-armor capacity of the T34 to open up the number of viable strategies available to Soviets. We wanted to improve the appeal of the third building by reducing its dependence on additional anti-tank units. Relative to the Panzer IV, the T34 will lose the majority of engagements unless it is able to capitalize on its superior mobility. However, the T34 outperforms the Panzer IV against soft targets. The previously low armor of the T34 provided it very little protection against most German anti-tank sources; the increase to 150 significantly changes this relationship.
Armor from 115 to 150
Rear armor from 70 to 75
Reload from 4.75 to 6.2-6.8
Damage from 120 to 160
Manpower from 280 to 310
Build time from 45 to 50
Fuel from 85 to 100
Penetration from 80 to 100

T34-85
Similar to the T34 in role, the T34-85 has gained a significant increase in anti-tank performance.
Armor from 124 to 160
Rear armor from 70 to 80
Penetration from 120 to 140
Reload time from 6 to 6-6.3
Manpower from 360 to 400
Fuel from 130 to 140
Double T34-85 call in manpower from 680 to 740
Double T34-85 call in fuel from 240 to 260

SU-76
The SU-76 fulfills the role of indirect fire support as well as anti-tank support. The AOE profile changes have improved the performance of its barrage, making it better suited at indirect fire vs. stationary targets.
Armor from 100 to 70
Rear armor from 50 to 35
Penetration from 93 to 100
Damage from 80 to 120
Reload from 2.375 to 2.9-3.4
Min range from 5 to 0
Scatter angle from 5.5 to 5
Distance scatter max from 10 to 4.7
Manpower cost from 160 to 210
Fuel cost from 55 to 75

SU-85
The SU-85 has been made more potent vs. medium and heavy armor while seeing a slight reduction in its durability. The mobility of the SU-85 has also been slightly improved to counter act the increase in mobility to other medium tanks.
Armor from 180 to 140
Rear armor from 80 to 70
Penetration from 170 to 190
Reload time from 4 to 3.8-4.2
Manpower from 320 to 340
Fuel from 115 to 120
Now has hold-fire

IS-2
Heavy armor saw an increase in performance to better highlight its tech placement. When a player transitions from light to medium armor, there is a very clear differentiation in the power of medium vehicles vs. light. This change better highlights the transition from medium to heavy while still retaining the role of medium vehicles in the late game. Lower rear armor maintains the value of flanking while increased combat potential better addresses the tech level of the vehicle. The IS-2âs anti-infantry capabilities have been reduced and compensated with increased anti-armor.
Armor from 325 to 340
Rear armor from 225 to 205
Penetration from 170 to 220
Damage from 240 to 160
Reload from 9 to 6.2-6.6
Distance scatter max from 2.86 to 5.7
Manpower from 760 to 640
Fuel from 240 to 230

ISU-152
Heavy armor saw an increase in performance to better highlight its tech placement. When a player transitions from light to medium armor, there is a very clear differentiation in the power of medium vehicles vs. light. This change better highlights the transition from medium to heavy while still retaining the role of medium vehicles in the late game. Lower rear armor maintains the value of flanking while increased combat potential better addresses the tech level of the vehicle.
Armor from 200 to 310
Rear armor from 100 to 155
Penetration from 150 to 230
Reload from 10 to 9-11
Health from 960 to 1040
Distance scatter max from 13.2 to 8.7
Manpower from 760 to 720
Now has hold fire

KV-1
The potency of its main gun has been increased in a similar manner to that of the T34. The KV-1 functions as a heavier variant to the T34 which is better able to engage medium armor. The KV-1 is also more accurate on the move vs. infantry than the T34, making it slightly more effective against soft targets.
Rear armor from 120 to 145
Reload from 4.75 to 6.2-6.8
Damage from 120 to 160
Health from 960 to 720
Manpower from 440 to 370
Moving scatter penalty from 2 to 1.75

KV-2
Heavy armor saw an increase in performance to better highlight its tech placement. When a player transitions from light to medium armor, there is a very clear differentiation in the power of medium vehicles vs. light. This change better highlights the transition from medium to heavy while still retaining the role of medium vehicles in the late game. Lower rear armor maintains the value of flanking while increased combat potential better addresses the tech level of the vehicle.
Rear armor from 87.5 to 180
Penetration from 140 to 180
Damage from 320 to 240
Reload time from 16.75 to 10-12
Health from 960 to 800
Distance scatter max from 1 to 7.4
Manpower from 440 to 630
Fuel from 250 to 230

KV-8
The KV-8 saw a significant decrease in its health to better align its performance to cost.
Rear armor from 120 to 145
Health from 960 to 720

Katyusha
The increased recharge timer offsets higher than desired artillery saturation. Its recharge is still lower than the Panzerwerfer to better represent its distributed saturation.
Recharge time from 60 to 70

Pacing and Tech Progression
The higher cost on the T70 and SU-76 this update meant that a lower cost on T3 and T4 could be implemented.

Tankoviy Battalion Command
Manpower cost from 275 to 240
Fuel from 140 to 120
Mechanized Armor Kampaneya
Manpower cost from 275 to 240
Fuel from 140 to 120
Bug Fixes
A number of minor bugs were fixed to improve gameplay.

German 105mm Howitzer
Now properly set to 8 command points
Panzer Grenadier Jaeger Infantry Package
Now has speech attached to the upgrade
Now requires friendly territory for upgrade
Now provides Interrogation ability
Acceleration
Acceleration was not properly being read by the engine, resulting in the value being ignored. This is no longer the case.
Snipers
Now automatically fire when in cover
Tiger Ace
Target weak point no longer requires the Tiger to face the target

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Pre-play comments: I'm out on travel so I won't be able to play this patch until the weekend. Over all, many drastic changes. They look good.

A bit hmm on the SU76. A very expensive glass cannon now.

I hope this is their first take on artillery.

PG correction is excellent. No more terminator squads.

Ostwind is going to rock socks now. It's the new KV8.

KV1 may be spammable.

Mixed feelings on the Panther.

Must play soon. Over all good job in my books.

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Calling it now, KV1 spam will be the new meta

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All heavy vehicle dispatches have had their command point cost increased by 1

why is StuG III E a heavy? and KV1 isn't?

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I like this, but the only question I have is the t34/85 price increase. Its more expansive than an is2.

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@Napalm. You put the chagelogs in a spoiler, pls. Thanks

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23 Apr 2014, 17:24 PMThe_rEd_bEar

I like this, but the only question I have is the t34/85 price increase. Its more expansive than an is2.

Because individually the T34/85 is probably the best tank in the game for its cost. Two of them are better than an IS2.

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23 Apr 2014, 17:25 PMcapiqua

@Napalm. You put the chagelogs in a spoiler, pls. Thanks

also add a link to offical site change log to show where you got it from.

Failure is always an option.

It's a happy massacre?! (yes, yes it is!)

Caffeine illegal for WiFi's to ingest in 48 states, 2 colonies, and 1 providences.

To make most awesome thing in universe combine Bears and Nicholas Cage!

and remember kids, we didn't start the flame-war!

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23 Apr 2014, 17:26 PMCieZ

Because individually the T34/85 is probably the best tank in the game for its cost. Two of them are better than an IS2.

You're probably right I can't wait to try this patch out.

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Cleaning up the post now. Sit tight nit-pickers.

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So uhhh...

Howitzer nerf
KV2 nerf
DSHK nerf
PG nerf
Stug G nerf

Relic haet niche units. Though I guess PGs were hardly niche. But still.

I also like small touches like the already inferior ZiS getting a smaller improvement than the PaK, the G43s now apparently being the best weapon in the game on the move (SMGs easier to use than semi-automatic rifles? Perish the thought, this is COH!), ram being made into even more of a lottery, etc.

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Agree Strummingbird, I was gonna post the same thing.

Panzerwurfer nerf should have been to its accuracy.

Let's see what happens with the tanks...I still think it won't be worth it to try to flank tanks because it doesn't seem they adjusted the moving accuracy on the T34s...

And...ram probabilities remain the same? So ram probably won't be used at all, I've only seen a dying T34 ram a tank and succeed before getting killed once or twice in all these months.

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G43 Got better?
Imo they were already killing machines?

Pak40 has no hold fire, but the Pak43 has?
Cmon?

Reserved for more comments.

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23 Apr 2014, 17:39 PMKreatiir

G43 Got better?
Imo they were already killing machines?

no they did not they changed there roles they won't be like they were. that said they won't be bad.

Failure is always an option.

It's a happy massacre?! (yes, yes it is!)

Caffeine illegal for WiFi's to ingest in 48 states, 2 colonies, and 1 providences.

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23 Apr 2014, 17:39 PMKreatiir

G43 Got better?
Imo they were already killing machines?

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G43 are better if you get really close to the squad but worse if you keep your distance.

Currently on live the LMG42 and G43 are basically straight upgrades at all ranges, therefore you always get them on every squad.

As a result of these changes the LMG42 will be good at long range, but bad if you can close in. Conversely the G43 will be good up close but bad at max range. This should give people the potential to counter the differed upgrades by either closing in, or staying back. It will also make the Ostheer player actually consider which upgrades he wants to give to which squads since giving every single squad an LMG42 will make you super vulnerable to PPSh/Shocks but giving every squad G43 will make you vulnerable to Snipers/Guards/Maxims/Vanilla cons

Posts: 680

Was it really that un-balanced? Heavy german nerf.

Thanks for the fast and big patch. Nice to see gamedevelopers developing a game instead of just making it. I remenber AOE3, it had like 16 different factions but 10 of them was forbidden to play in multiplayer cause there op-ness.
Good job relic!

Posts: 1664

I'm happy that MG's can deal with light vehicles more effectively as well as Dshk cost reduction (now we just need a decent commander with it.)

Sniper and Target Weak Point bugs fixed woot!

I hope the Stug III E CP increase is justified by its performance in this patch.

I'm disappointed that Guards still spawn with PTRS instead of it being an upgrade, oh well.

SU-76 and Stug look like they will be even more fragile than before. I hope they can survive a shot from anything.

I look forward to seeing how acceleration and mobility changes work out especially on my favorite unit the T70. Vehicles move a bit faster on roads now and tread vehicles move faster than wheeled in cover which is a nice touch.

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Thanks CieZ & Wifi!

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23 Apr 2014, 17:10 PMNapalm

Blitzkrieg

Blitzkrieg enabled German armor to escape potentially deadly situation at a fairly low cost. This placed German armor in a very advantageous position relative to Soviet armor, as they could take greater risk while sustaining lower casualties on average. Other issues, such as awkward movement behavior or unrealistic accuracy, made the ability feel a bit cheap and magical. This change synergizes well with the recent modifications to acceleration, as vehicles will be far more responsive while the ability is active.

Now provides 1.6x acceleration

Received accuracy modifier from 0.5 to 0.75

Speed and accuracy modifier removed

Munition cost from 40 to 30

I dont understand this change, what exactly does it do?

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23 Apr 2014, 17:44 PMUnshavenbackman

I remenber AOE3, it had like 16 different factions but 10 of them was forbidden to play in multiplayer cause there op-ness.
Good job relic!

You mean France? Les Currassier?

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