USF Commander idea

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 12:57 PMSerrith

I am under NO illusions this commander-or perhaps any new commander- will be added to the game, but its fun to play around with ideas sometimes.

USF Elite Officer Corps
Excellent training will let your officers seize the early game initiative. As enemy resistance stiffens, use morale(buzzword) boosting abilities to keep up the offensive. We can't let the Germans retake any ground, if the situation looks desperate, rapid response armor reserves are ready to be deployed on your command.



0CP Officer Training

The LT, CPT and Major all receive munitions upgrades. The LT gets a 6 man upgrade that also grants sprint, the CPT gets an upgrade that grants the PANZERGRENADIER mark target and a the sturmpioneer medkit drop, the Major gets a 4 man upgrade that gives him the ability to call in a single SHORT(2 passes with a single aircraft) p47 rocket loiter, but must remain stationary for the duration(similar to major recon).

(USF is the only faction that gets a free unit when they tech up.)


1CP Veteran Sergeant 100MP
A SINGLE rifle squad may be designated to receive a sergeant. This will increase the squad size to 6, unlock sprint, unlock Rifle smoke grenades, and grant +5 sight.

(WAY Too OP. A six man squad with M1 Garands, BAR and a Zook? With smoke grenades and sprint and sight? There's literally nothing OST or OKW has to counter that. Obers couldn't even live to survive against something like that vetted. Not too mention what would happen if they went double BAR.)

4CP Combined Arms
You know what this is. Its a good ability, use it, love it.


4CP Cover to Cover
You know what this is. Use it to lead your officers to victory.


12CP Rapid Response Armor 320mp 125fu
When your victory points drop below 200, you may call in a rapid response E8 Sherman for 320mp and 125fu. This ability may be used up to three times, no more.

Currently the E8 doesn't see much play as the Jackson and stock sherman combination make it superfluous. But, by turning it into a comeback mechanic and making it extremely cost effective-albeit with limited uses- it could actually be worth getting over a standard sherman or jackson situation dependent.

(So in a close game that goes below 200 mp, you propose that USF instantly calls in armor that can roflstomp P4's alongside Jacksons with no fuel penalty to call them in?)


Just a bit of fun.

(Fun for you. Meanwhile my hair is turning grey at the thought of Bar/Zook 6 man Rifles with Grenades, AT grenades, Smoke, Vision and Sprint. Its like some rich guy walking into McDonalds when he wants to order from the menu and says, "Lol yeah, I'll have ALL the menu.")

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 15:30 PMSp33dSnake

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Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 16:05 PMSerrith

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Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 16:21 PMT.R. Stormjäger

So at minute 5, a 222, 3 grens and an mg42 have to fight off a stuart, a BAR LT with sprint, a BAR Cpt with mark target, 1 BAR rifle and a 6man Rifle with sprint.

Extremely balanced.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:30 PMLoopDloop

Lol imagine thinking BAR and zook is the way to go on rifle squads. No.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:32 PMSp33dSnake

Seen it and it works. Especially against light vehicles.

You charge up, seeing an infantry with a BAR icon, thinking your Luchs/222 can push it off, but then the zook fires and you are

And they are not bad against mainline infantry either. That one zook doesn't seem to hurt their firepower all that much.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:44 PMLoopDloop

Nope. Not worth it at all, you'll never see that at high level play. It's a noobtrap. Losing one garand doesn't hurt anti infantry much, but not being able to put double BARs on rifles is a big no.

And one zook isn't even a really effective deterrent for anything but a kubel. You can take like 4 zook hits in a luchs before you have to back off, and you shouldn't even be in zook range to begin with.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:59 PMSp33dSnake

Yeah because vetted riflement don't have an AT grenade.
And two riflemen set up the same way have the equivalent of double zooks and double bars.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 18:35 PMT.R. Stormjäger

1 BAR 1 Zook rifles new meta PogChamp

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:32 PMSp33dSnake

Seen it and it works. Especially against light vehicles.

You charge up, seeing an infantry with a BAR icon, thinking your Luchs/222 can push it off, but then the zook fires and you are

And they are not bad against mainline infantry either. That one zook doesn't seem to hurt their firepower all that much.

Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2020, 00:37 AMProtos Angelus

I have to correct you on this account. This whole thread is nonsense and I agree with most of what you have said... However, giving rifles one zook and one bar is...bad. It can work in 1v1 maybe but in larger gamemodes which mostly play out in "lanes"... a big NO
3 VPs, 3v3 = 3 lanes. So you have a 3v3/4v4 map that is a bit larger than a 1v1 map but fits 6/8 more players. This forces you to go to your closest points/muni/fuel and VP, which pretty much means that you will have a large force of infantry which you will need to control and focus targets, on a smaller "map" (lane).

In such game modes, you will want to know which is AI only squad and direct them to hit infantry only, and which are AT only squads. If you combine it, you'll have a really really bad time. Only time it can really work is in small game mode and early on when there are no obers or pzgrens and such and the AI power lost from one zook is not detrimental.

Eg. I bind BAR rifles to 1, ranger zook + echelon zook to 2, tanks to 3 (Sherman,Pershing...) and 4 (Jackson, M10...), Pak/Scott to 5 and AA HT to 6 and ambulance to 7.
You would induce much more micro and lose a lot of fights if you combine in larger game modes, especially late game. You want to target down squads one by one rather than attack ground and combining is not the way to do so.

Trust me, two rifleman set up the same way are not the same since the speed of taking down enemy models results in you either winning an engagement or retreating.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 16:21 PMT.R. Stormjäger

So at minute 5, a 222, 3 grens and an mg42 have to fight off a stuart, a BAR LT with sprint, a BAR Cpt with mark target, 1 BAR rifle and a 6man Rifle with sprint.

Extremely balanced.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:28 PMSp33dSnake

xD

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:05 PMSupport Sapper

Why cover to cover when you have three 6 man squad with sprint and smoke ? I mean, it can be another thing.

Jump back to quoted post22 Aug 2020, 17:27 PMSp33dSnake

And you're comparing that to getting three free mobile units that can build stuff faster, access to zooks, 1919, and call in artillery strikes.

Fuzilers are locked behind doctrine, cost 80mp to get to six man, locks out schrecks. Whereas a vetted BAR/Zook combo Rifleman is not locked behind ANYTHING except no brainer tech. At this point, because Volks can't thrive in the late game, Fusilers are the only OKW unit that can be a mainline and do well in the late game.

Do you know how easy it would be to cheese that Rapid Armor? You talk about a hail mary, but you can build THREE tanks before it would be locked out. This doesn't stop you from building more tanks either. Jagdpanzer has hard enough time creating space for a shot against a Sherman without the inevitable rage inducing circle strafe nonsense.

Heavy tanks are no longer locked to one, but they STILL have heavy popcap, and STILL are fuel heavy at 240+, by their very nature, you build one and your field presence is reduced because you have 22 or so popcap in ONE unit. Often I'll opt for Pwerfer/Stuka + Panzer IV over a Tiger just to keep my flexibility.

Jump back to quoted post24 Aug 2020, 00:37 AMProtos Angelus

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