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Spanky
18 May 2020, 10:18 AM
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UPDATE!

Map has been updated to version 2.0, major changes including map rotation to fit east vs west.

New map version here: Bayeux 2.0

Hey community, I want to give this a try. After hearing the feedback about Bayeux, I've spent time in the world builder trying my best to bring the map size to a more reasonable fit with a couple of more things changed. I feel confident that this will make the game play feel more fast paced.

So I would love to hear feedback and I am also hoping you the community would help me play test it, I am thinking of some sort of a reward for lets say:"the best replay". If any caster wants to hop in, get in contact with me here or steam.

Without further ado, here are the changes with explanations.

Tactical map: What you see here is the white Line around sectors being the new size and the old border showing the pervious size. I also haven't updated the Tactical map but I'm hoping Rosbone will make it happen. Changed a couple of sectors to bring them closer to the players. Base starting point and area moved/reworked.



I will put a scetch here for the points moved and base readjustment.



More pictures of the changes done.

Middle reworked

South entrance

North entrance

North cutoff

South Cutoff

West fuel now on the otherside of the forest with a reworked area.

East fuel forest area reworked



You can get the new map file here.

(2) Bayeux

Hope the community will give this a chance. Thank you!


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MMX
18 May 2020, 11:13 AM
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Awesome, good to hear you're still working on Bayeux! Although it has honestly never been one of my favorites to play on I've always liked the overall design and aesthetics of the map... I'd say that by reducing the size and reworking the cutoff and central VP areas most of the critical gameplay aspects should have been tackled. Will give it a couple of matches for sure and report back.
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Raxzero
18 May 2020, 20:12 PM
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Hello Spanky, it's nice to see you're putting effort on Bayeux, thanks for your effort.

So, I've played on the new Bayeux once (against a human player) and noticed a few things about it:

-You left out the useless parts of old Bayeux, that's great but now, the map is just way too small. Especially the capture points are all square now and yellow covers are clunky. I don't know if this is intended but in some cases, infantry enter the yellow cover but doesn't capture the point. This isn't a very good idea if you ask me. Most of the successful maps on the pool has big capture points and if you ask me, that's the best.

-Base MGs overlooking capture points:
I don't know how the majority of the playerbase think but I assume nobody likes these in Crossing in the Woods map. Base MGs are for protecting the base, not the capture points. so, you might want to look into them.

I think map is just way too small right now, which leads to small capture circles. You might want to make it bigger by adding some space here and there (I suggest adding more space between capture points, personally, they're too near to each other currently).
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Rosbone
18 May 2020, 22:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 20:12 PMRaxzero
I think map is just way too small right now, which leads to small capture circles. You might want to make it bigger by adding some space here and there (I suggest adding more space between capture points, personally, they're too near to each other currently).


Most of the more popular maps are nearly the same size as the new Bayeux. The actual width where points are located is approx 190 at the midline. And more like 230-240 fuel-fuel just off center.

The distance between points ranges from 35m-60m. Which is also normal. The points are central to each side VP, so the muni, muni cutoff, and mid TP could each be moved 5-10m more towards the center maybe? I am not aware of the tactical reason Spanky was designing to, so I dont want to say this is needed. The points are generically fine.

I agree that the capture points could be a little bigger. This would also bring the cover objects into the circle so units dont clump outside the circle.

Just looking at the map I am very excited about the layout. I think the smaller size, removal of the cutoff houses, and the point layout looks great. This map will be great for players that focus on resources over VPs. Each main point is easily taken and connected for income.
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Sturmpanther
19 May 2020, 06:36 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:11 PMRosbone




:drool::thumbsup:

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Spanky
19 May 2020, 07:45 AM
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Really good feedback guys!

Lets start with the capture circles/squares. I wanted to try out something different this time and made perfect squares, but I see that it needs a little adjustment, so I will focus on making those tad bit bigger.

About the mg nests in the base, I am not aware that those arcs would cover cutoff points, I will give this a test myself. Adjusting accordingly.

Cover around points will be adjusted with the new radius.

Rosbone you also pointed out a very detailed list of things you found on discord, thanks for that!

Thanks guys, appreciate it! :)
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Spanky
19 May 2020, 09:59 AM
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New update:

1. Fixed a couple of mistakes. (thanks Rosbone for pointing out)
2. south side had a steeper climb so I smoothened it out


3. Made changes to the sector layout, moved 4 manpower points and 2 munition points as seen below.



4. Deleted some hedges and added hedges to the intersections as seen below.



My final thought is to copy paste the map to a new template which is smaller, so the minimap wont be as large.

Thank you again, for giving feedback!


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A_E
19 May 2020, 10:05 AM
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Suggestion: please rotate this map 90 degrees and make it East vs. West and tweak it accordingly

North vs. South maps have a history of bias against north and players not changing their camera angle to face their opponent.

It is too noticeable a problem to design a map with north vs. south on the outset.
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19 May 2020, 10:13 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:05 AMA_E
Suggestion: please rotate this map 90 degrees and make it East vs. West and tweak it accordingly

North vs. South maps have a history of bias against north and players not changing their camera angle to face their opponent.

It is too noticeable a problem to design a map with north vs. south on the outset.


I second this! I've seen some players even go so far as to rotate their PoV by 180 degree in case they start north - which at least seems to be an option for most people... except for me though, since I'll completely lose orientation upon rotating the map even the slightest bit :S





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Spanky
19 May 2020, 10:16 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:05 AMA_E
Suggestion: please rotate this map 90 degrees and make it East vs. West and tweak it accordingly

North vs. South maps have a history of bias against north and players not changing their camera angle to face their opponent.

It is too noticeable a problem to design a map with north vs. south on the outset.


Good point!
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Spanky
19 May 2020, 10:26 AM
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Found out what you meant by playtesting, fixed now.

I will copy paste the template to a new canvas tomorrow as I got no time anymore today. But a new version is available, see first post "map file".
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Raxzero
19 May 2020, 10:35 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:11 PMRosbone


Most of the more popular maps are nearly the same size as the new Bayeux. The actual width where points are located is approx 190 at the midline. And more like 230-240 fuel-fuel just off center.


New bayeux has the same size as Crossroads? That's weird, map really felt a lot smaller to me. I don't know what caused this but well, nevertheless, numbers don't lie. Thanks for the comparison chart.

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Found out what you meant by playtesting, fixed now.

I will copy paste the template to a new canvas tomorrow as I got no time anymore today. But a new version is available, see first post "map file".


Good to know. I'll try to find somebody to playtest it (hopefully someone similar to my skill level this time) and post the replay if I can. Keep up the good work!
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Spanky
19 May 2020, 10:51 AM
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Cheers Raxzero!

So I tried real quick to copy paste the template and rotate it to match west to east angle and it works but.. look at it. Gonna take me some time to get the aesthetics looking like it did. :*(
If the community likes this angle more than the original, then I will put work into it. I'm just wondering how much time do I have until the next map patch hits.

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19 May 2020, 11:03 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:51 AMSpanky
Cheers Raxzero!

So I tried real quick to copy paste the template and rotate it to match west to east angle and it works but.. look at it. Gonna take me some time to get the aesthetics looking like it did. :*(
If the community likes this angle more than the original, then I will put work into it. I'm just wondering how much time do I have until the next map patch hits.



Dude wtf, the map looks way sexier that way. How is that possible, usualy it takes a lot of shadow tweaking etc to make it look nicer
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19 May 2020, 11:22 AM
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You are kidding right, cause I'm laughing!
All of this lush green is gone, no atmosphere preset either. The re painting is painful thats all as it takes time to get different tiles to blend in. No way Im going with this yellow color. :rolleyes:

Anyhow, expect an update tomorrow.
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A_E
19 May 2020, 11:32 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 11:22 AMSpanky


You are kidding right, cause I'm laughing!
All of this lush green is gone, no atmosphere preset either. The re painting is painful thats all as it takes time to get different tiles to blend in. No way Im going with this yellow color. :rolleyes:

Anyhow, expect an update tomorrow.


Ok I thought that was just how it looked in WB. Tbh I just mean the geometry of the map layout kind of stands out better from this perspective.
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19 May 2020, 12:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:51 AMSpanky


I think you will find and have the time for it. That does not mean wait now 1 month lol^^
The plan is to patch in June.

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T.R. Stormjäger
19 May 2020, 12:43 PM
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If you're going East-West perspective, some of the tall trees should be lowered if they haven't already been lowered to allow people to see.
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19 May 2020, 13:38 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:13 AMMMX


I second this! I've seen some players even go so far as to rotate their PoV by 180 degree in case they start north - which at least seems to be an option for most people... except for me though, since I'll completely lose orientation upon rotating the map even the slightest bit :S



I almost always rotate the map and Bayeux north fuel point is a bit of a pain in the ass to supervise at the moment. Too much tall trees.

But overall I like the actual map.

Have to give a try to the new version.
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Spanky
19 May 2020, 23:09 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 11:32 AMA_E


Ok I thought that was just how it looked in WB. Tbh I just mean the geometry of the map layout kind of stands out better from this perspective.


All good, just a miss understanding bro. :lol: True, didnt have much energy yesterday to get an overall feel but I will take this direction, thanks for suggesting it!
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