Incendiary barrage for panzerwer

I disagree with OP, werfer is anything but underwhelming. It does a surprise voley fire any katyusha user will dream of.

The issue may reside on the way you use it OP. But regardless of that stuka is very controversial as it is right now, dont use as an example for ideal rocket arty.

Some people, including myself think stuka should be revamped

It kinda of is underwhelming. It's barrage is telegraphed + very random. Look if the allies played as static as ost, the werfer would be fine but they don't. The only thing allies have that is static is UKF emplacements against which the the wefer is a joke.
Think about against pak43/lefh the katty can still do shit(like decrew it + deal damage) but werfer is garbage vs the 17 lbr, bofor (can't decrew em can't kill em cus insta barrage means they cas just brace).

The point of the wefer being underwhelming is not the raw power or even the accuracy it's its lack of versatility. It can be used for 1 thing and 1 thing only siege. And nothing else. And that's fine but the katty does a better job at it + it's also more versatile, The stuka is outright just better no comparison. Hell even the LeFH is better.

The STUKA will never change. How long has it been since OKW was released.

Imo pwafer performance is fine but it is bit expensive compared to scotts and katty.

Either make it cheaper or have smaller scatter without having to get real close.

Pwafer is too late to deal with usf arty or sov 6 man weapon teams. Because as wehr, it is very hard now, to counter allies static plays.

Katy is better than werfer not because of peak performance but due to ease of usage. Katy can get consistent kills at max range, slow and steady racking up vet while werfer is useless at max range. For them to get an equal amount of kills you'll have to micro the werfer a lot more and expose it a lot more.

Allied players somehow think the werfer is better cuz wipes, but they don't realize the amount of micro it takes to get to the right position (a balance of close but making sure that the opponent can't see the werfer when it fires) and IMMEDIATELY pulling back right after the last rocket is fired.

I'd say the werfer is "useable" right now but still slightly UP. I'd say a slightly faster cooldown or a relevant vet1 ability is all it needs. The vet1 ability doesn't need to be amazing, just not utterly useless like counterbarrage.

Not only that, wafer needs more predictive skills to hit infantry.
Katty just needs to saturate the area.
Katty does more damage to tech structures too, no?

The problem with wehr t4, it is not cost effective and needs more micro.

I always rushing for wafer if allies team decide to dig in. Sov 6 man maxim and mortar are terrific when aided by usf, to dig in.

Wehr doenst really have good counter arty against static allies play.

Are we seriously going to ingnore the spread and long fire time of the katty? Just because a single rocket can and i mean can but mostly will not have good effect at max range. Most units can just stay put when a single katty engages from its max range and nothing gets hit.

Getting slow and steady xp compared to nothing for the pwerfer?
Does the katty get exp from hitting the ground these days?

Pwerfer is a luxury unit on OST given the fact it can damage seriously the allied team weapons, that plus great team weapons themselves, gives OH a superiority in them.

Therefore it should not do anything else, it already punishes blobbing pretty well, specially when used in pairs and with artillery officer.

Of course it comes at t4 because OH is defensive oriented.

imo the reason why people complain about the katyusha is because they are getting hit by it more often than getting hit by the pwerfer. because you know, they play much more axis than allies. so it is actually based on observation bias, they think katyusha is actually decent when most allied players would salivate at having a rocket arty equivalent to stuka/pwerfer.

it is quite insane that you can complain about such a perfect piece of artillery. it does its job when it hits, they wipes squads consistently and its the perfect tool to destroy infantry in cap points.

compared to that katyusha is a wild card. its great when it hits, just a light show when it spreads and doesnt absolutely nothing, sometimes only a single kill against a 3 gren squads blob. on top of that, the delayed salvo means with quick enough reactions, you can retreat after the 1st salvo hits and watch the other 3 salvo miss their target entirely.

try that with pwerfer and stuka, you'd see your squad getting wiped far more consistently, retreat is only an option when you *hear* the salvo coming, when the salvo hits, its often much too late.

imo the reason why people complain about the katyusha is because they are getting hit by it more often than getting hit by the pwerfer. because you know, they play much more axis than allies. so it is actually based on observation bias, they think katyusha is actually decent when most allied players would salivate at having a rocket arty equivalent to stuka/pwerfer.

it is quite insane that you can complain about such a perfect piece of artillery. it does its job when it hits, they wipes squads consistently and its the perfect tool to destroy infantry in cap points.

compared to that katyusha is a wild card. its great when it hits, just a light show when it spreads and doesnt absolutely nothing, sometimes only a single kill against a 3 gren squads blob. on top of that, the delayed salvo means with quick enough reactions, you can retreat after the 1st salvo hits and watch the other 3 salvo miss their target entirely.

try that with pwerfer and stuka, you'd see your squad getting wiped far more consistently, retreat is only an option when you *hear* the salvo coming, when the salvo hits, its often much too late.

M8, i think your just trash with the katty.

M8, i think your just trash with the katty.

Oh m8 dont get me wrong. I aint saying katy UP, 75killz ez on katy. I'iz saying u mad for complaining about pwerfer.

Hopefully you appreciate me speaking like you so you cab understand me better.

Oh m8 dont get me wrong. I aint saying katy UP, 75killz ez on katy. I'iz saying u mad for complaining about pwerfer.

Hopefully you appreciate me speaking like you so you cab understand me better.

Ok M8. In what way the werfer is perfect. Because I could just as well point out as many "flaws" it has as stated of katty.

Ok M8. In what way the werfer is perfect. Because I could just as well point out as many "flaws" it has as stated of katty.

Okay both katty and pwerfer have minusses to their plusses. Who would have thought.

That was the point he made as well as i did. Please stop the ost up mentality.

Okay both katty and pwerfer have minusses to their plusses. Who would have thought.

That was the point he made as well as i did. Please stop the ost up mentality.

Then star reading what people say more carefully. I never said werfer was bad. I said it was lackluster. Something else being better than another doesnt make the other thing bad. And Nothing is perfect.

Then star reading what people say more carefully. I never said werfer was bad. I said it was lackluster. Something else being better than another doesnt make the other thing bad. And Nothing is perfect.

Ok but when you say lackluster isnet bad, thats confusing. Lackluster means its lacking something and have nothing to compensate for that. And that doesnt mean its bad in any degree way shape or form?

The sentiment is most definetly katty good and werfer up here. I read correctly. You may not have said it directly but that doesnt change the overall sentiment.

Ok but when you say lackluster isnet bad, thats confusing. Lackluster means its lacking something and have nothing to compensate for that. And that doesnt mean its bad in any degree way shape or form?

The sentiment is most definetly katty good and werfer up here. I read correctly. You may not have said it directly but that doesnt change the overall sentiment.

OK, Let say There is this place where the burger(/insert your favorite food here) is fantastic. But when you go to other places and try the burger there it doesn't taste as good, may be the salt ain't right maybe the cheese isn't quite as good what ever. That my friend is what is lackluster is.
Now, say that you went to a place. You try the burger. And the taste is so poor that you don't to even eat/finish it. That my friend is what is called bad.
Hope you now understand that things have spectrum of quality.
And you did not read carefully then, I most definitely and directly stated that the katty was better. It's not a sentiment it is a fact. You could argue that stuka > werfer is more of a sentiment.

OK, Let say There is this place where the burger(/insert your favorite food here) is fantastic. But when you go to other places and try the burger there it doesn't taste as good, may be the salt ain't right maybe the cheese isn't quite as good what ever. That my friend is what is lackluster is.
Now, say that you went to a place. You try the burger. And the taste is so poor that you don't to even eat/finish it. That my friend is what is called bad.
Hope you now understand that things have spectrum of quality.
And you did not read carefully then, I most definitely and directly stated that the katty was better. It's not a sentiment it is a fact. You could argue that stuka > werfer is more of a sentiment.

Ok i didnt read carefully enough. That is a fact.
But the katty being better is an opnion or sentiment, not a fact.
If you want to make it a fact please provide evidence or data. Not just your opnion.

Ok i didnt read carefully enough. That is a fact.
But the katty being better is an opnion or sentiment, not a fact.
If you want to make it a fact please provide evidence or data. Not just your opnion.

the fact was that i said the katty was better it wasn't a sentiment.

the fact was that i said the katty was better it wasn't a sentiment.

Okay still opinion and no data or proof for that matter. Just you stating your opnion, that is a fact.

Okay still opinion and no data or proof for that matter. Just you stating your opnion, that is a fact.

Well what kind of data do you want then?

The PWerfer gives OST what it otherwise lacks: Wipe capability. Also giving it the same shooting pattern like a Katy would definitely weaken it. OST usually fights against more mobile units. The damage has to be done quickly, otherwise they move out of the AoE. It's hard to say if they are 100% balanced or not, but the PWerfer definetely has it's spot and can wipe a whole squad if you're opponent does not recognize where it's going to land within a second.

Well what kind of data do you want then?

Cost, hp and armour, speed and mobility, min max range, weapon or rocket damage and aoe profile, how many per salvo, fire time cooldown time, spread or scatter, vet bonusses.

Then you look at what type of army they face.