Two-Step PGren Upgrade

• What if PGrens could get two Panzerbusche AT rifles (they're in the campaign) for 50 munitions? They're much less effective than shrecks, but they do the job on the cheap.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 13:37 PMSneakEye

I like it! Though the Panzerbüchse needs to be tested carefully, because weapons in the campaign are often stronger than in multiplayer.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 13:25 PMLago

Ostheer's got no light tank. That's part of its design, and means it needs to field infantry counters to light vehicles.

The best one it has against lights is Panzershreck PGrens, but these are 100 munitions. If you're on the back foot, that can be a problem.

If I recall correctly, Relic's previous solution to this was to make the Panzerschreck upgrade two parts: you'd buy one Panzershreck for half the cost, then you'd buy the next. This created an inevitable problem of one-Panzershreck PGren blobs, so they got bundled together.

But that ability to buy lesser AT for less munitions and fully upgrade later was a neat feature that could be worth bringing back.

• What if PGrens could get two Panzerbusche AT rifles (they're in the campaign) for 50 munitions? They're much less effective than shrecks, but they do the job on the cheap.

The PGrens could then upgrade those AT rifles to Panzerschrecks for another 50 munitions.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 13:37 PMSneakEye

I like it! Though the Panzerbüchse needs to be tested carefully, because weapons in the campaign are often stronger than in multiplayer.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 13:55 PMSir Edgelord

And yes, if it's an AT RIFLE, how hard will be for them to hit infantry with them? Because if those are going to be as inaccurate as the Shreck that's not going to be any better, except for being more early.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 13:55 PMSir Edgelord

But! A big BUT! What about the fact that Germans didn't use Panzerbuche at '44-'45? Or there is historical proof they did? Just this aesthetic part of the upgrade makes it a bit...weird.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 16:22 PMWiderstreit

Why not Panzerbüchse for Pioneers?

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 17:46 PMVipper

I would rather have a different approach:
Pg cost down to 280-300
Start with 2 ST44 and 2 k98 or 2 MP40
Can upgrade with 2 ST44
Can also upgrade with 1+1 shreck replacing the ST44

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 18:12 PMIncendiaryRounds

No vipper, ost is very muni constrained.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 17:46 PMVipper

I would rather have a different approach:
Pg cost down to 280-300
Start with 2 ST44 and 2 k98 or 2 MP40
Can upgrade with 2 ST44
Can also upgrade with 1+1 shreck replacing the ST44

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 14:26 PMLago

I'm thinking something very similar to the Penal PTRS.

As for them just being worse Shrecks, that's the idea. The two AT rifles are meant to be loosely equivalent to one Panzershreck.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 20:28 PMAcidfreak

But penals ptrs cost 75 muni IIRC.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 20:28 PMAcidfreak

And then you're stuck as well with a squad whose AT ability becomes obsolete as heavy tanks kick in.