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by GenMe 2nd October 2017, 00:56 AM
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2 Oct 2017, 00:56 AM
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I hardly ever beat OKW unless the player is so bad it would be impossible not too, every time the KT shows up I struggle with the game after that point, I know I need to lay more mines, just difficult to free up my engineer for it or put them in decent snare positions or have them still exist for the late game.
2 Oct 2017, 01:58 AM
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Right there

Now aside from this picture, I watched a good portion of the replay and you had very dominant field presence throughout the early and mid game. However I think there are a few key points you seem to missunderstand about certain units and timings.

For example, you got an SU76 when you could have afforded 2 T34/76s. The latter is significantly better in all aspects except the tank destroyer role. The point though is that during this point of the game your opponet didn't have armor, so you didn't need a tank destroyer. Now I beleive you got this because you wanted artillery because you saw his T4 going up. An SU85 can sight for itself and begin to attack the schwer at max range, and then you could've supported with a T34.

Next point is the M4C shermans. While I do enjoy these shermans they're not nearly as cost efficient as the T34s. The main point of the M4Cs is that you don't need to tech T4 to call in the M4C, which in turn saves you the teching cost. If you already have your tech down, you can still call in M4Cs but you need to understand why you are. M4Cs have slightly better pen, significatnly better on the move accuracy debuff, and with vet insane rate of fire. All of this is in comparison to the T34/76. However the T34/76 is in contrast significantly cheaper fuel wise, which allows you to field more with less fuel, and they're still a significant threat.
2 Oct 2017, 02:11 AM
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2 Oct 2017, 13:48 PM
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14 Oct 2017, 22:58 PM
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I didn't have tier 4, that's why I got SU 76, also why I called in Sherman, I'm confused.
15 Oct 2017, 03:22 AM
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You had the fuel to build said T4.
8 Dec 2017, 02:57 AM
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You had the fuel to build said T4.


why would i spend it on tier 4 when I'm using lend lease? the Su 76 was my tank destroyer. I was told to do that by a top player, is it wrong? also why is the fuel cache start wrong in this game? I had good early game field presence and map control? Its an advantage gained by leading with cons, I dont do it all the time, but in this game I got away with it surely.
8 Dec 2017, 05:20 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Dec 2017, 02:57 AMGenMe


why would i spend it on tier 4 when I'm using lend lease? the Su 76 was my tank destroyer. I was told to do that by a top player, is it wrong? also why is the fuel cache start wrong in this game? I had good early game field presence and map control? Its an advantage gained by leading with cons, I dont do it all the time, but in this game I got away with it surely.


For example, you got an SU76 when you could have afforded 2 T34/76s. The latter is significantly better in all aspects except the tank destroyer role. The point though is that during this point of the game your opponet didn't have armor, so you didn't need a tank destroyer. Now I beleive you got this because you wanted artillery because you saw his T4 going up. An SU85 can sight for itself and begin to attack the schwer at max range, and then you could've supported with a T34.

Next point is the M4C shermans. While I do enjoy these shermans they're not nearly as cost efficient as the T34s. The main point of the M4Cs is that you don't need to tech T4 to call in the M4C, which in turn saves you the teching cost. If you already have your tech down, you can still call in M4Cs but you need to understand why you are. M4Cs have slightly better pen, significatnly better on the move accuracy debuff, and with vet insane rate of fire. All of this is in comparison to the T34/76. However the T34/76 is in contrast significantly cheaper fuel wise, which allows you to field more with less fuel, and they're still a significant threat.
8 Dec 2017, 12:14 PM
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I still have to spend another 90 fuel on that upgrade, surely that has to be factored in, I haven't found loads of T34 76's to be cost effective in the long run, the SU 76 was more about showing a counter to light vehicles to put my opponent off getting them as well as the arty ability, it wasn't to counter anything, I got it because I wanted it rather than to counter a unit my opponent already had, is that fair?
8 Dec 2017, 17:40 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Dec 2017, 12:14 PMGenMe
I still have to spend another 90 fuel on that upgrade, surely that has to be factored in, I haven't found loads of T34 76's to be cost effective in the long run, the SU 76 was more about showing a counter to light vehicles to put my opponent off getting them as well as the arty ability, it wasn't to counter anything, I got it because I wanted it rather than to counter a unit my opponent already had, is that fair?


It isn't necessary to have a preemptive tank destroyer to deter a light vehicle. Since a medium rush will have a similar effect because your opponet most likely won't have a vehicle that can compete with yours. The extra 90 fuel isn't much if you remove the su76. That's 75 fuel IIRC?
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