Need help in 1v1 as OKW
by
Alexzandvar
8th September 2015, 22:36 PM
- Schadenfreudian
Arnhem Checkpoint (2)
- [NS] Alexander
No chat in this replay.
8 Sep 2015, 22:36 PM
#1
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I got my ass kicked really hard in this match, could I please get some help/suggestions on how to play OKW in 1v1?
8 Sep 2015, 22:47 PM
#2
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Permanently BannedLOL! That high skill gameplay
1v1 me already boi
1v1 me already boi
8 Sep 2015, 22:51 PM
#3
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LOL! That high skill gameplay
1v1 me already boi
I have very little experience in 1v1, it would be equally offensive of me to demand you play one of my 2v2 AT's.
8 Sep 2015, 23:18 PM
#5
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I guess I should just expect people to treat me like shit forever, no real point in trying if requests for help are met like this. Although Id like to thank the people who were willing to watch this and give advice.
9 Sep 2015, 00:11 AM
#7
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Queen, I've reported your posts in this thread.
Normally I don't mind your trolling, at least not when it provokes interesting/humorous conversation in my twitch stream...
But trying to publicly shame a person for consciously attempting to improve their game play is utterly immature and frankly despicable.
Alex is taking the time (and risk) of admitting that he wants others to help him improve his own play. Not an easy thing for most people to do, which is why most people stay bad at most games. Alex is taking a mature and difficult approach to better himself. A respectable move by most, if not all, metrics... and you're overtly flaming him for it.
Not cool.
If you keep it up you're likely to lose mod status in my stream because I cannot support or abide by such brash/brazen behavior.
Alex, I'll try to take some time tonight to look at the replay and see what I can help you with. Keep up the good work.
Normally I don't mind your trolling, at least not when it provokes interesting/humorous conversation in my twitch stream...
But trying to publicly shame a person for consciously attempting to improve their game play is utterly immature and frankly despicable.
Alex is taking the time (and risk) of admitting that he wants others to help him improve his own play. Not an easy thing for most people to do, which is why most people stay bad at most games. Alex is taking a mature and difficult approach to better himself. A respectable move by most, if not all, metrics... and you're overtly flaming him for it.
Not cool.
If you keep it up you're likely to lose mod status in my stream because I cannot support or abide by such brash/brazen behavior.
Alex, I'll try to take some time tonight to look at the replay and see what I can help you with. Keep up the good work.
9 Sep 2015, 01:05 AM
#8
Posts: 4951 | Subs: 1
Queen, I've reported your posts in this thread.
Normally I don't mind your trolling, at least not when it provokes interesting/humorous conversation in my twitch stream...
But trying to publicly shame a person for consciously attempting to improve their game play is utterly immature and frankly despicable.
Alex is taking the time (and risk) of admitting that he wants others to help him improve his own play. Not an easy thing for most people to do, which is why most people stay bad at most games. Alex is taking a mature and difficult approach to better himself. A respectable move by most, if not all, metrics... and you're overtly flaming him for it.
Not cool.
If you keep it up you're likely to lose mod status in my stream because I cannot support or abide by such brash/brazen behavior.
Alex, I'll try to take some time tonight to look at the replay and see what I can help you with. Keep up the good work.
Thank you CieZ, I appreciate it
9 Sep 2015, 01:07 AM
#9
Posts: 2635 | Subs: 4
Permanently BannedNo help for #axisfanboys MVGame.
9 Sep 2015, 01:14 AM
#10
Posts: 1248
Queen, I've reported your posts in this thread.
Normally I don't mind your trolling, at least not when it provokes interesting/humorous conversation in my twitch stream...
But trying to publicly shame a person for consciously attempting to improve their game play is utterly immature and frankly despicable.
Alex is taking the time (and risk) of admitting that he wants others to help him improve his own play. Not an easy thing for most people to do, which is why most people stay bad at most games. Alex is taking a mature and difficult approach to better himself. A respectable move by most, if not all, metrics... and you're overtly flaming him for it.
Not cool.
If you keep it up you're likely to lose mod status in my stream because I cannot support or abide by such brash/brazen behavior.
Alex, I'll try to take some time tonight to look at the replay and see what I can help you with. Keep up the good work.
Well Alex did come out demanding but ratchet was alittle mean too Kappa
9 Sep 2015, 02:42 AM
#11
Posts: 1468 | Subs: 4
Some things I noticed:
Early game Kubel micro, I would have sent the Kubel straight to his fuel or cut off. You want to force retreats as much as possible to slow down their capping. Then use the mobility to go repair, repeat, etc.
Losing the Volk early. Unit preservation is super important, even more so in 1v1. You have to focus very hard to not lose units in 1v1. I would have gotten out of the opposite side of the house, soft retreated towards your fuel, then retreated to avoid retreating through enemy squads.
If you want to control mid you need to have the house advantage, you didn't which caused a lot of bleed you couldn't afford. In the case of the enemy controlling the middle houses I'd attack the flanks and/or cutoff to force them out of mid.
Probably should have stealthed the Rak early game to make the Stuart more worried.
Dangerous to contest mid against Assault Engis because of flamers/demos.
Your early game losses trying to contest mid were huge. Needed to take the chance around 9:30 to get a sweeper and grab mid houses if you wanted mid. Sweeper is always my 2nd muni purchase, potentially first against Assault Engineers.
You were often fighting in red/no cover against green cover/garrisoned squads.
Overall map control could be stronger. You missed some opportunities to attack the enemy cutoff.
You could have more/better use of green cover/buildings early on. I wouldn't garrison against flamers + Pack Howi mid/late.
Overall I think your biggest problem was being pigeonholed into defending your med truck the entire game. You placed it in a spot that allowed your opponent to frequently fight in green cover, against your units in no/red cover. In 1s I generally place my med truck in my HQ sector to save the 300 manpower and to not expose the structure. Normally in 1s the maps are small enough that going to your HQ isn't significantly further than a forward med truck (this changes from map to map of course) but if you are going to play with a forward truck try to find a spot that has a decent amount of green cover that you can fight from while simultaneously reinforcing right at that spot. So you can just abuse green cover, spam reinforce and force your opponent to play inefficiently if he wants to attack your truck.
Another consideration in truck placement is location relative to the various map sectors. Your placement was close to your munitions, but far from your fuel and not super close to your cutoff. Overall it wasn't a great defensive location and it didn't give you an advantage in map control.
If I were to place a forward truck on that map it would probably be right around the strat point between the mid VP and your munitions. There is a spot near the corner of the wall behind the house that should be difficult to push with an AT gun, it gives you a LOT of green cover access via that wall, two easy garrisons, a truck and sandbag to cover the rear approaches and the enemy cut off is extremely close.
On the other side of the map there is a spot on a small road between the house and the shed that could probably work. You'd be right next to your own cutoff but have poor access to munitions/enemy cutoff.
The USF early game could have been slowed down considerably by sending your Kubel to his side rather than sitting it in mid.
Anyways, always try to keep Volks stationary in green cover, and don't be afraid to give up a position temporarily (middle of the map) to force your enemy to move. Try to make him play into your hands rather than letting him dictate the fighting so much.
Early game Kubel micro, I would have sent the Kubel straight to his fuel or cut off. You want to force retreats as much as possible to slow down their capping. Then use the mobility to go repair, repeat, etc.
Losing the Volk early. Unit preservation is super important, even more so in 1v1. You have to focus very hard to not lose units in 1v1. I would have gotten out of the opposite side of the house, soft retreated towards your fuel, then retreated to avoid retreating through enemy squads.
If you want to control mid you need to have the house advantage, you didn't which caused a lot of bleed you couldn't afford. In the case of the enemy controlling the middle houses I'd attack the flanks and/or cutoff to force them out of mid.
Probably should have stealthed the Rak early game to make the Stuart more worried.
Dangerous to contest mid against Assault Engis because of flamers/demos.
Your early game losses trying to contest mid were huge. Needed to take the chance around 9:30 to get a sweeper and grab mid houses if you wanted mid. Sweeper is always my 2nd muni purchase, potentially first against Assault Engineers.
You were often fighting in red/no cover against green cover/garrisoned squads.
Overall map control could be stronger. You missed some opportunities to attack the enemy cutoff.
You could have more/better use of green cover/buildings early on. I wouldn't garrison against flamers + Pack Howi mid/late.
Overall I think your biggest problem was being pigeonholed into defending your med truck the entire game. You placed it in a spot that allowed your opponent to frequently fight in green cover, against your units in no/red cover. In 1s I generally place my med truck in my HQ sector to save the 300 manpower and to not expose the structure. Normally in 1s the maps are small enough that going to your HQ isn't significantly further than a forward med truck (this changes from map to map of course) but if you are going to play with a forward truck try to find a spot that has a decent amount of green cover that you can fight from while simultaneously reinforcing right at that spot. So you can just abuse green cover, spam reinforce and force your opponent to play inefficiently if he wants to attack your truck.
Another consideration in truck placement is location relative to the various map sectors. Your placement was close to your munitions, but far from your fuel and not super close to your cutoff. Overall it wasn't a great defensive location and it didn't give you an advantage in map control.
If I were to place a forward truck on that map it would probably be right around the strat point between the mid VP and your munitions. There is a spot near the corner of the wall behind the house that should be difficult to push with an AT gun, it gives you a LOT of green cover access via that wall, two easy garrisons, a truck and sandbag to cover the rear approaches and the enemy cut off is extremely close.
On the other side of the map there is a spot on a small road between the house and the shed that could probably work. You'd be right next to your own cutoff but have poor access to munitions/enemy cutoff.
The USF early game could have been slowed down considerably by sending your Kubel to his side rather than sitting it in mid.
Anyways, always try to keep Volks stationary in green cover, and don't be afraid to give up a position temporarily (middle of the map) to force your enemy to move. Try to make him play into your hands rather than letting him dictate the fighting so much.
9 Sep 2015, 09:07 AM
#12
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Thank you for the help CieZ, I really appreciate it. It's kind of a shock how differently OKW plays from 2's to 1's. But I think a lot of my mistakes were because I panicked and didn't keep my cool (which is something you need to learn to do in 1's from what people tell me since you have no allies to rely on).
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