HELP ! How to deal with maxim spam ?

Hello people. I posted this replay we lost to a rank 7 team Allies double Soviet. Our question is: How do you counter double Maxim spam ?

- They are capable of pinning us in the first burst and their number are just too much.

- I tried to use MG34 against them + friendly mortar keep dropping shit but it couldn't work because shock-troops just came out and kill everything.

- Those people getting cocky in late game sending straight 2 ISU to our base and lost both + lost a IS2 on the right side too but well it's just a matter of VP at that point and we lost.

So , I don't mind people going for US Rifle company or 2 double sniper or Conscript spam or whatever but this maxim spam => 2CP getting shock spam => camping until heavy tank came out is kinda dick move.

I think people using this bullshit play style because Soviet don't really have any worth using unit. So does this mean it comes down to the point that it's just fucking balance issues ?

Any guide or hint to deal with this will be glady hear from me .

P/S:

- I think about using stuka but it takes too long for cool down and it's just lower my chance to bring out some heavy tank to deal against ISU/ IS2.

- Going for JadTiger meaning no MG34 team to supress them. MG43 from Ostheer don't pinned shit.

- Those guy don't even need conscript. They only use shocktroops + Support unit.

You need to protect your mortar(s). You should get 2 or 3. You shouldn't say "I try mortar but shocks come and kill me", if that happens you made a mistake, protect your mortars.

The stuka is also the counter. Use MG42s. If you think they don't pin for shit you must be playing a different game than me.

@DAnielD: Thanks for respond but:

1) We did have 2 mortars and bomb the shit out of them but the problem is that their weapon team are 6 persons so even mortaring so much we still couldnt take them out.

2) MG42 HMG team is shit right now. Look at the Maxim and MG34 HMG team: They pinned enemy from the first burst. MG42 Team usually take 2 burst to pinned a squad + 4 man size time doesn't last long like maxim units + Enemy Shock got smoke grenade to block our MG42 sight to kill us. Also this Soviet team also use AT gun barrage ability to kill our MG......

3) Stuka is not a good enough counter because:

- I will have to invest 100 fuels into it => Lower my chance of getting out heavy tank => Dead for me because those people were just waiting for ISU + IS2.

- Even with crazy damage, I will need to know where do they put all MG,Mortar and AT to make the best line shot... This is hard consider enemy MG will keep moving up everytime.

- Cool down is too long and not effective. Frankly, a god damn Sturmtiger is more effective than Stuka because it only take 50 seconds to reload and more capable of wipiing enemy weapon team.

Our 2vs2 rank was 30 so we not talking shit like nooby. We understand how balance issuse fuck up this game so please bring good example with you to support the ideal...

i agree with Kyle, and I want also ask, how to beat Rifleman+Veteran rifleman spam?
If they are everywhere, smoke grenades blocking mg sight, riflemen killing all inf, and anti-tank rifle grenades are destoying all light vechicles

Stuka doesnt lower the chance of getting out a Jagdtiger, normally when you reach 13CP, you have the necessary fuel for it, but you must create only 1 vehicle before, not 2, or stuka, or FlakHT, or Puma, one of them.
If they are maxim spamming, go for Stuka, at least it will wipe 1 maxim every 2 mins(if your lucky).
Dont go for MG34 when they have ISU, a single plane strafe can kill your PaK43 later (if you went fortifications doctrine). You need MGs? Use MG42, at least it doesnt lock you in a doctrine.
They have shocks? use 222's, Panzerfusilier with G43.

Is it difficult to beat maxim spam? yes, a lot, but its not impossible.

Good use of mortar spam will def kill those maxims...I've had it done to me. They just have to have protection.

against shocks , 222 does well. Flame HT too. Just protect the flanks and it works. However their rank sometimes is just too good and you won't beat someone like that no matter what you do.

Ok so I watched the replay. Biggest mistake happens in the first minute: you send your sturmpio to the fuel on the left, and it stays there too long. This is the best unit to use in combat and as soon as you saw the maxims it should have gone to help flank.

Also, you start spamming MGs against the maxims... why not a second sturmpio? Then you make a mistake and lose your sturmpio which means you are fucked. Then you get a bunch more MGs when you could have saved up manpower and bought fallshimjager at 3CP and flanked all the support weapons.

basically: Use your sturmpio to flank at the start of the game. Make a second one. If you go for falls you should use them.

To be fair you guys played from the really shitty side of moscow outskirts, its very hard to win from north.

Is it difficult to beat maxim spam? yes, a lot, but its not impossible.

True, I never said it impossible but to come up with a good tactic to beat that is kinda hard . Still, me and my mate kinda come up with something and will see if it works.

Good use of mortar spam will def kill those maxims...I've had it done to me. They just have to have protection.

against shocks , 222 does well. Flame HT too. Just protect the flanks and it works. However their rank sometimes is just too good and you won't beat someone like that no matter what you do.

We did use the mortar but it just too hard to take them out consider those thing got 6 mans crew + they spamming like nuts + I also think it's the RNG god too lol.

I'm not really thinking about their rank because previously we have take down rank 7 and 9 allies team before and at the best time our rank in axis was 14.

But I guess we kinda fail to counter to this Double maxim Spam because we don't really meet it a lot, kinda hard to come up with a counter if I can't practice much.

Ok so I watched the replay. Biggest mistake happens in the first minute: you send your sturmpio to the fuel on the left, and it stays there too long. This is the best unit to use in combat and as soon as you saw the maxims it should have gone to help flank.

Also, you start spamming MGs against the maxims... why not a second sturmpio? Then you make a mistake and lose your sturmpio which means you are fucked. Then you get a bunch more MGs when you could have saved up manpower and bought fallshimjager at 3CP and flanked all the support weapons.

basically: Use your sturmpio to flank at the start of the game. Make a second one. If you go for falls you should use them.

To be fair you guys played from the really shitty side of moscow outskirts, its very hard to win from north.

Umh yes I did keep the Sturmpio on the left fuel there because when the game start, we saw both enemy building tier 2 and we kinda figure out that they gonna go both Maxim Spam so I kinda use the sturmpio just to cut around the map,

I didn't send it to kill maxim because.... they got too many damn maxim lol. Like they turn around very quickly ( this people got teamwork, I can say that ).

I did the MG spam against maxim spam because MG34 capable of pinned enemy down in the first burst + even 2 sturmpio out will just get pinned by maxim. I mean mate, look at the replay and see how those maxim cover each other so good.

I also think about buying falls but at the time ( 3 CP ) then enemy will already have 2CP => they have shocks on the field. Look at them Shock man, they always stand behind the Maxim team to cover them . If I use Falls at those time I'm dead for sure.

I guess we kinda start on the shitty side, it could have been easier when it's the south side.

We are coming up with a new ideal to counter this Maxim Spam, will see if it's work or not then tell you guys about it later.

Thanks all of you guys for have replied in here. I will let all of you know if my new counter works ! Cheers !