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beating Puma spam

by BartonPL 2nd May 2014, 18:04 PM
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Patch: 3.0.0.13559
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2 May 2014, 18:04 PM
#1
avatar of BartonPL

Posts: 2807 | Subs: 6

I'm really starting to hate this game, each "big" patch brings new imbalanced stuff, this time I had to face Puma spam with LMG vet 3 grens. Thasnk god that only cons Ppsh are ONLY viable counter to this stuff...
3 May 2014, 00:07 AM
#2
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it was painful to watch
3 May 2014, 00:22 AM
#3
avatar of Bryan

Posts: 412

gg, wp both. Not to take anything away from Barton, but I thought Guru floated once or twice when he could have done with an MG42 or two. (Easy to say in hindsight!)

Not sure Barton that Ppsh cons are the only counter.

On urban maps, con spam into t2 and then a heavy tank (ISU/IS2), on open maps sniper play into t2 and then a heavy tank (ISU/IS2). Throw some guards into the mix if your going ISU doctrine. Imho.

3 May 2014, 12:28 PM
#4
avatar of BartonPL

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I used Guards, I used Shock troops, and these units are not versatile as ppsh cons, why? I' tell you right now

Guards: doctrinal unit, have 2 PTRS's to counter early vehicles like 222's, it's useless in late, so it leaves 4 guys armed with Mosins or 2 mosins and 2 DP's so the firepower goes down. Guards are only meant to use them on long ranges, it's useless to get them in close because german non-doctrinal inf will kill them really fast.

Shocks: doctrinal unit, cost too much to call this unit, it has 0 AT weapons, altho you can use grenade to damage 222's or HT's, had many games where simple 222 was killing my full shock squad on retreat even, they are only good in close combat actions but they are loosing to 2x grens in cover, sometimes to even 1 if they are lucky

Cons: basic unit, spammable since it's unit from HQ, can get AI molotovs and AT grenades, gets veterancy faster, can build sandbags (yea, they are very useful sometimes), altho they are weak on long range vs LMG grens in cover, the Ppsh upgrade can be really good to fight those.
3 May 2014, 15:38 PM
#5
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anyway russians are better now
3 May 2014, 19:32 PM
#6
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I've never had a problem with Pumas. They are a solid counter to T3 and circle strafe slower tanks easily but they're damn expensive, have negligible anti infantry and I've dealt with them just fine with mines and AT grenades. Also means you don't have to worry about Tigers/Elefant coming in which gives you more options.

But I'd imagine that Pumas would be stronger than normal on Minsk because of how open it is.
3 May 2014, 21:33 PM
#7
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Pumas can be easily spammable, when i barely had SU-85 he had 3 Pumas
3 May 2014, 22:11 PM
#8
avatar of Basilone

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They are a great counter to T3 and T4 units, and a shitty counter to infantry and doctrinal tanks. So if you're playing vs someone spamming Pumas, just don't produce tanks from buildings.
4 May 2014, 04:11 AM
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You can produce tanks from buildings?
4 May 2014, 07:00 AM
#10
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Awesome, I've had trouble against this strat on this map as well. Puma spam beats T34s unless the pumas are outnumbered. Pumas may be crap against infantry but what russian infantry will take out pumas? Guards? Lol
4 May 2014, 07:49 AM
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You can produce tanks from buildings?

non doctrinal T3/T4 units
4 May 2014, 11:23 AM
#12
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non doctrinal T3/T4 units


i always wondered what those buildings were for
5 May 2014, 14:24 PM
#13
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5 May 2014, 16:01 PM
#14
avatar of S73v0

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gg, but the game could have gone differently if Guruskippy wasn't floating 600-800 manpower for 3/4 of the match and he got more infantry. He was fighting with only 3 lmg grens for half the match... Even some ostruppen would have been nice. But wp besides that.
6 May 2014, 19:14 PM
#15
avatar of What Doth Life?!
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non doctrinal T3/T4 units


He was doing what some would call "making a funny."
13 May 2014, 09:30 AM
#16
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Posts: 1162

The very fact that pumas are really strong when spammed speaks volumes. They should be a support unit good for flanking, but you should still need T3 along side them :/

Pure con spam will only go so far, because germans just build up LMGs and MGs, and dont forget this doctrine has P4 support tank :(
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